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Re: OGTT test i implantacija (nevezano za PCOS)-br.1
Uf, sad sam i ja u rebusu za sebe.
Sta mislite da li moje povremeno drhtanje i hladan znoj ima veze s ovim? Pari, tvoj opis reakcije (identicno) me je podsetilo na neke moje situacije- npr. ponekad kad imam izuzetno jake menstrualne bolove, upadnem u takav shok (drhtavica, pad pristiska, hladan znoj, stanje pred gubitak svesti, mucnina, proliv i glaaad kad sve prodje)...ili proletos- imala sam jednu gadno stresnu situaciju i jedva sam dosla kuci jer sam bila pred onesvescivanjem (isti simpotmi). Bila sam na ulici i imala sam jedino zvaku kod sebe i to me je malo povratilo, ali ne zadugo. Tek kuci kad sam uzela secer i vodu i odlezala s podignutim nogama sam dosla k sebi.
Da li to ima veze s ovim ili je to samo sekundarna reakcija usled shoka i stresa? Da li je takva reakcija normalna reakcija na stres?
Dalje, Neno ti napisa da sve to ima veze sa holesterolom i trigliceridima. Vec sam spominjala da nablonja ima s tim problem- sta god da mu dam, dobar holesterol je nizi, a onaj los visi, a trigliceridi su mu skakali i do 10. Baka i tata su mu imali secernu bolest (onu koja se razvije u starijoj dobi). OK, provericu mu taj OGTT zarad opsteg zdravlja, ali....da li bi to moglo da utice i na kvalitet spermica...mislim na onu kvalitetu koja se ne vidi obicnim mikroskopom, ono sto Ori spominje kao DNK fragmentaciju?
Ako taj insulin (ili sta li vec) utice na kvalitet jc, da li bi mogao da utice i na kvalitet spermica?
Sta mislite da li moje povremeno drhtanje i hladan znoj ima veze s ovim? Pari, tvoj opis reakcije (identicno) me je podsetilo na neke moje situacije- npr. ponekad kad imam izuzetno jake menstrualne bolove, upadnem u takav shok (drhtavica, pad pristiska, hladan znoj, stanje pred gubitak svesti, mucnina, proliv i glaaad kad sve prodje)...ili proletos- imala sam jednu gadno stresnu situaciju i jedva sam dosla kuci jer sam bila pred onesvescivanjem (isti simpotmi). Bila sam na ulici i imala sam jedino zvaku kod sebe i to me je malo povratilo, ali ne zadugo. Tek kuci kad sam uzela secer i vodu i odlezala s podignutim nogama sam dosla k sebi.
Da li to ima veze s ovim ili je to samo sekundarna reakcija usled shoka i stresa? Da li je takva reakcija normalna reakcija na stres?
Dalje, Neno ti napisa da sve to ima veze sa holesterolom i trigliceridima. Vec sam spominjala da nablonja ima s tim problem- sta god da mu dam, dobar holesterol je nizi, a onaj los visi, a trigliceridi su mu skakali i do 10. Baka i tata su mu imali secernu bolest (onu koja se razvije u starijoj dobi). OK, provericu mu taj OGTT zarad opsteg zdravlja, ali....da li bi to moglo da utice i na kvalitet spermica...mislim na onu kvalitetu koja se ne vidi obicnim mikroskopom, ono sto Ori spominje kao DNK fragmentaciju?
Ako taj insulin (ili sta li vec) utice na kvalitet jc, da li bi mogao da utice i na kvalitet spermica?
Poslednji izmenio nabla dana 26/8/2010, 01:31, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta
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viktorija ::Insulin je jedan
od retkih “ centralnih ” hormona koji, sadejstvujući sa gotovo svim ostalim,
kontroliše sve metaboličke i fiziološke procese i ima najjači uticaj na svaku
ćeliju ljudskog organizma. Sa druge strane, prevelika količina insulina u krvi
- hiperinsulinemija - uzrokuje mnoga oboljenja, od dijabetesa i gojaznosti,
preko kardiovaskularnih i koronarnih, , Alchajmerove bolesti, sindroma
policističnih jajnika, osteoporoze, ubrzanog starenja... .
hmmm, a ja mislila da je iz oblasti steriliteta povezan samo sa PCOS i zato ga i nisam nikad proveravala (iako je Nena trubila na sva zvona ).
Mozda je zato Vujovicka trazila da radim i androgene hormone?
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Neno, sreca pa si dosadjivala
Paris, draga, slazem se sa tobom, i kada su Jevremova i Genesis u pitanju.
Dr Kopitovic i dalje ne misli da je to nesto sto jako utice na ishod....
Nema veze, bar sam ja opustenija i sa malo vise optimizma ulazim u postupak. Jedino me brine sto sad sve ide jako brzo, a ja ne pijem Siofor dovoljno dugo....
Paris, draga, slazem se sa tobom, i kada su Jevremova i Genesis u pitanju.
Dr Kopitovic i dalje ne misli da je to nesto sto jako utice na ishod....
Nema veze, bar sam ja opustenija i sa malo vise optimizma ulazim u postupak. Jedino me brine sto sad sve ide jako brzo, a ja ne pijem Siofor dovoljno dugo....
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Po nekoj logici ,mozda bi i mogaonabla ::
Ako taj insulin (ili sta li vec) utice na kvalitet jc, da li bi mogao da utice i na kvalitet spermica?
Zoka83 ::
Nema veze, bar sam ja opustenija i sa malo vise optimizma ulazim u postupak.
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nabla ::Uf, sad sam i ja u rebusu za sebe.
Sta mislite da li moje povremeno drhtanje i hladan znoj ima veze s ovim? Pari, tvoj opis reakcije (identicno) me je podsetilo na neke moje situacije- npr. ponekad kad imam izuzetno jake menstrualne bolove, upadnem u takav shok (drhtavica, pad pristiska, hladan znoj, stanje pred gubitak svesti, mucnina, proliv i glaaad kad sve prodje)...ili proletos- imala sam jednu gadno stresnu situaciju i jedva sam dosla kuci jer sam bila pred onesvescivanjem (isti simpotmi). Bila sam na ulici i imala sam jedino zvaku kod sebe i to me je malo povratilo, ali ne zadugo. Tek kuci kad sam uzela secer i vodu i odlezala s podignutim nogama sam dosla k sebi.
Da li to ima veze s ovim ili je to samo sekundarna reakcija usled shoka i stresa? Da li je takva reakcija normalna reakcija na stres?
kod mene nije nikad bilo tako jakih reakcija, a imala sam problem... e sad, moz' bit' da ti je od stresa, al ne mora da znaci. tj moze biti da si upadala u stanje hipoglikemije usled naglog skoka insulna koji se nije uravnotezio dovoljno brzo.
ih bre nabla, zar i ti sine Brute , nisi do sad uradila ogtt?! misliiiim, stvaaarnooo!i
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nabla ::
Dalje, Neno ti napisa da sve to ima veze sa holesterolom i trigliceridima. Vec sam spominjala da nablonja ima s tim problem- sta god da mu dam, dobar holesterol je nizi, a onaj los visi, a trigliceridi su mu skakali i do 10. Baka i tata su mu imali secernu bolest (onu koja se razvije u starijoj dobi). OK, provericu mu taj OGTT zarad opsteg zdravlja, ali....da li bi to moglo da utice i na kvalitet spermica...mislim na onu kvalitetu koja se ne vidi obicnim mikroskopom, ono sto Ori spominje kao DNK fragmentaciju?
Ako taj insulin (ili sta li vec) utice na kvalitet jc, da li bi mogao da utice i na kvalitet spermica?
E ovo tek sad povezah, treba se malo udubiti i prokpati jos o tome... a za sermice... ne znam... moguce.. ali onda ima vezea proizvdnjom istih. a nije svima to problem. neki samo imaju blokadu. sve u svemu, vredi se ozabaviti...
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Nabla, pankreas luci izuzetno velike kolicine insulina i zbog stresa. Nije mi za dzabe dr rekla da se ne nerviram, i to mi ej deo terapije.
Ja nisam doduse imala takva stanja samo od stresa. Ali prosla sam kao parizanka nakon tog testa - posle par sati bilo mi je muka, tresla sam se i mantalo se u glavi. Prvi put sam to juce, nakon njenog iskustva, povezala sa hipoglikemijom.... mislila sam samo da su mi izvadili previse krvi
Sto se tice uticaja na spermice.... ovako, laicki, mislim da nema veze.
Ja nisam doduse imala takva stanja samo od stresa. Ali prosla sam kao parizanka nakon tog testa - posle par sati bilo mi je muka, tresla sam se i mantalo se u glavi. Prvi put sam to juce, nakon njenog iskustva, povezala sa hipoglikemijom.... mislila sam samo da su mi izvadili previse krvi
Sto se tice uticaja na spermice.... ovako, laicki, mislim da nema veze.
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Nabla,situacija koju si pomenula,a nastupila nakon str.situacije,je tipična za stres,i tu mislim da ne treba da se sekiraš,ali opis stanja u koja povremeno dođeš,je tipical hipoglikemija,a moje laičko mišljenje je ,da ako ti to nije normalno stanje,ko što nije,govori o poremećaju razgradnje šećera,uzrokovanih veeelikim lučenjem insulina,što bi Zoka rekla-gejzirom.
Nije na odmet da proverite oboje,ne znam koliko bi u mom(odn,slučaju mog muža)to pomoglo,ali da voli da odspava posle jela,i da voli uveče da otvara friz...mmm sve to stoji.
nbla,ti imaš genetske predispozicije za dijabetes...ja nisam.Odradi to.
Zokac,piješ terapiju,i to je bitno.
Nije na odmet da proverite oboje,ne znam koliko bi u mom(odn,slučaju mog muža)to pomoglo,ali da voli da odspava posle jela,i da voli uveče da otvara friz...mmm sve to stoji.
nbla,ti imaš genetske predispozicije za dijabetes...ja nisam.Odradi to.
Zokac,piješ terapiju,i to je bitno.
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Cure interesuje me gdje se privatno u BG može uraditi inslin?
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Joco,možeš u bilo kom labu,s tim što pravu sliku daje kad se radi u sklopu OGTT-a,dakle,kad se uzima kad i glukoza-4x
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Hvala Pari, ma radila sam OGTT, radila bih ga opet, ali ovdje u BL rade samo glukozo, a ne i insulin (
Danas kada sam zvala neke privatne labose, nisu me ni razumili šta pitam (((((
Danas kada sam zvala neke privatne labose, nisu me ni razumili šta pitam (((((
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E da djevojke ako može adresa nekog labosa u centru
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malko sam istrazivala... i evo:
za pocetak zanimljivo je sledece:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11387273
Abstract
The impact of insulin resistance on the outcome of IVF or intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) in women with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) was examined. Insulin sensitivity was measured by the continuous infusion of glucose with model assessment (CIGMA) test. Insulin-resistant (n = 26) and non-insulin-resistant women (n = 30) with PCOS underwent a total of 100 cycles of long-term down-regulation with buserelin acetate, stimulation with human recombinant FSH, and IVF or ICSI. Blood samples were taken throughout ovarian stimulation for hormone assays. Insulin-resistant and non-insulin-resistant women had similar concentrations of FSH, LH, testosterone and androstenedione throughout stimulation, but insulin-resistant women had hyperinsulinaemia and lower sex hormone binding globulin concentrations. Insulin-resistant women also had lower oestradiol concentrations during stimulation and required higher FSH doses, but these differences disappeared after controlling for the higher body weight in the group of insulin-resistant women. Groups had similar number of oocytes collected, similar implantation and pregnancy rates, and the incidence of ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome was also similar. Obesity, independent of hyperinsulinaemia, was related to a lower oocyte count and increased FSH requirement. It is concluded that in PCOS women receiving long-term down-regulation and stimulation with recombinant FSH, insulin resistance is neither related to hormone levels nor to IVF outcome. Obesity, independent of insulin resistance, is associated with relative gonadotrophin resistance.
za pocetak zanimljivo je sledece:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11387273
Abstract
The impact of insulin resistance on the outcome of IVF or intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) in women with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) was examined. Insulin sensitivity was measured by the continuous infusion of glucose with model assessment (CIGMA) test. Insulin-resistant (n = 26) and non-insulin-resistant women (n = 30) with PCOS underwent a total of 100 cycles of long-term down-regulation with buserelin acetate, stimulation with human recombinant FSH, and IVF or ICSI. Blood samples were taken throughout ovarian stimulation for hormone assays. Insulin-resistant and non-insulin-resistant women had similar concentrations of FSH, LH, testosterone and androstenedione throughout stimulation, but insulin-resistant women had hyperinsulinaemia and lower sex hormone binding globulin concentrations. Insulin-resistant women also had lower oestradiol concentrations during stimulation and required higher FSH doses, but these differences disappeared after controlling for the higher body weight in the group of insulin-resistant women. Groups had similar number of oocytes collected, similar implantation and pregnancy rates, and the incidence of ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome was also similar. Obesity, independent of hyperinsulinaemia, was related to a lower oocyte count and increased FSH requirement. It is concluded that in PCOS women receiving long-term down-regulation and stimulation with recombinant FSH, insulin resistance is neither related to hormone levels nor to IVF outcome. Obesity, independent of insulin resistance, is associated with relative gonadotrophin resistance.
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drugo, uticaj na musku plodnost-ne nadjoh za insulin ali za dijabetis da, i vecu kilazu:
http://www.ivf1.com/diabetes-sperm/
Diabetes and Weight Affect Male Fertility PDF Print E-mail
Several studies have shown a link between female infertility and obesity. Female diabetes has been linked to miscarriage and birth defects. Little data has been published on the effect of male weight and infertility. A new study shows diabetes and being overweight has a negative effect on male fertility.
Diabetes is a disease associated with high blood sugar. The body normally produces a hormone called insulin, which regulates blood sugar and keeps it low. People can develop diabetes from a failure to make insulin (Type 1) or resistance to insulin (Type 2). The most common reason that people develop insulin resistance is being overweight or obese.
In the last few decades, a higher percentage of Americans have become overweight. As a result, the rate of diabetes is increasing by a huge amount.
Sperm DNA Damage
A study conducted out of Belfast, Ireland was presented at the European Society for Human Reproduction and Embryology. The research suggests that semen from diabetes patients looks normal under the microscope, but when examined more closely and compared to men with proven fertility, the sperm DNA seems to be significantly altered.
DNA is the hereditary material located in cells. Some of the DNA is divided into discrete portions called genes. Each gene has a unique function. For the function of the gene to be carried out, the cell takes the information in the DNA and first converts it into a similar material called RNA. The RNA is then used as a template to make proteins. The proteins produced actually carry out the numerous functions in a cell. If the DNA or RNA in a cell is damaged, the protein produced may be present in lower amounts or not function correctly in the cell.
Sperm are responsible for carrying male’s DNA to the female egg. At the time of fertilization, the male and female DNA are combined. The combined DNA contains all of the information necessary for that embryo to develop into a human being.
Since sperm are produced continuously all during a man’s life, in the testes, there is a constant process of DNA being made and packaged into sperm. The testes contain many proteins to help with the process of making sperm. Some of these proteins are thought to reduce the amount of damaged DNA.
In this study, researchers found a fourteen-fold decrease in the amount of a protein enzyme called ornithine decarboxylase, which is responsible for the production of spermine and spermidine, compounds responsible for cell growth that help stabilize the structure of DNA in sperm. This indicates that having diabetes has a direct influence on the health of semen.
Possible Cause of RNA Damage
The researchers uncovered that a group of compounds known as AGEs (Advanced Glycation End Products) was found in the male reproductive tract. This substance is known to accumulate in men as they age. It is also dependent on lifestyle choices such as smoking, diet, and in many diabetic complications, they are centrally linked to DNA damage. Scientists are still not quite sure how these compounds play a role exactly. They have still yet to determine how these AGEs cause and contribute to the DNA damage.
As a precaution for protecting sperm, they are now trying to reduce the amount of AGEs in the body. This could include changes in diet, disrupting the production of AGEs, or increasing protection against AGEs through dietary supplements.
Obesity and Being too Thin affects sperm
A separate study suggested that being too thin or having obesity, a condition often associated with diabetes, also had a negative effect on the health of a man’s sperm. The study found that overweight men had less seminal fluid and more abnormal sperm. Men with an optimal weight had higher levels of sperm and a higher semen volume. The research did not look at the quality of DNA, however.
Conclusions
With the number of diabetics at younger ages increasing, it is important to know the effects of the disease, how they impact the body, and more specifically, how they affect fertility.
Often, type II diabetes and obesity can be controlled and even reversed by changes in lifestyle. It is important that men achieve an ideal body weight before trying to conceive to increase their chances of pregnancy. This can be done with healthier eating choices, lower sugar intake, and an increase in exercise.
Women should not be discounted as well. There have been studies that show overweight women have lower IVF success rates. For the best pregnancy success rates, it is important that both parents are at a healthy weight.
It has always been known that staying around a healthier weight is beneficial to our in many ways. For men, the increased chances for improved semen quality are just another benefit to add to the list.
Last Updated ( Friday, 01 August 2008 )
http://www.ivf1.com/diabetes-sperm/
Diabetes and Weight Affect Male Fertility PDF Print E-mail
Several studies have shown a link between female infertility and obesity. Female diabetes has been linked to miscarriage and birth defects. Little data has been published on the effect of male weight and infertility. A new study shows diabetes and being overweight has a negative effect on male fertility.
Diabetes is a disease associated with high blood sugar. The body normally produces a hormone called insulin, which regulates blood sugar and keeps it low. People can develop diabetes from a failure to make insulin (Type 1) or resistance to insulin (Type 2). The most common reason that people develop insulin resistance is being overweight or obese.
In the last few decades, a higher percentage of Americans have become overweight. As a result, the rate of diabetes is increasing by a huge amount.
Sperm DNA Damage
A study conducted out of Belfast, Ireland was presented at the European Society for Human Reproduction and Embryology. The research suggests that semen from diabetes patients looks normal under the microscope, but when examined more closely and compared to men with proven fertility, the sperm DNA seems to be significantly altered.
DNA is the hereditary material located in cells. Some of the DNA is divided into discrete portions called genes. Each gene has a unique function. For the function of the gene to be carried out, the cell takes the information in the DNA and first converts it into a similar material called RNA. The RNA is then used as a template to make proteins. The proteins produced actually carry out the numerous functions in a cell. If the DNA or RNA in a cell is damaged, the protein produced may be present in lower amounts or not function correctly in the cell.
Sperm are responsible for carrying male’s DNA to the female egg. At the time of fertilization, the male and female DNA are combined. The combined DNA contains all of the information necessary for that embryo to develop into a human being.
Since sperm are produced continuously all during a man’s life, in the testes, there is a constant process of DNA being made and packaged into sperm. The testes contain many proteins to help with the process of making sperm. Some of these proteins are thought to reduce the amount of damaged DNA.
In this study, researchers found a fourteen-fold decrease in the amount of a protein enzyme called ornithine decarboxylase, which is responsible for the production of spermine and spermidine, compounds responsible for cell growth that help stabilize the structure of DNA in sperm. This indicates that having diabetes has a direct influence on the health of semen.
Possible Cause of RNA Damage
The researchers uncovered that a group of compounds known as AGEs (Advanced Glycation End Products) was found in the male reproductive tract. This substance is known to accumulate in men as they age. It is also dependent on lifestyle choices such as smoking, diet, and in many diabetic complications, they are centrally linked to DNA damage. Scientists are still not quite sure how these compounds play a role exactly. They have still yet to determine how these AGEs cause and contribute to the DNA damage.
As a precaution for protecting sperm, they are now trying to reduce the amount of AGEs in the body. This could include changes in diet, disrupting the production of AGEs, or increasing protection against AGEs through dietary supplements.
Obesity and Being too Thin affects sperm
A separate study suggested that being too thin or having obesity, a condition often associated with diabetes, also had a negative effect on the health of a man’s sperm. The study found that overweight men had less seminal fluid and more abnormal sperm. Men with an optimal weight had higher levels of sperm and a higher semen volume. The research did not look at the quality of DNA, however.
Conclusions
With the number of diabetics at younger ages increasing, it is important to know the effects of the disease, how they impact the body, and more specifically, how they affect fertility.
Often, type II diabetes and obesity can be controlled and even reversed by changes in lifestyle. It is important that men achieve an ideal body weight before trying to conceive to increase their chances of pregnancy. This can be done with healthier eating choices, lower sugar intake, and an increase in exercise.
Women should not be discounted as well. There have been studies that show overweight women have lower IVF success rates. For the best pregnancy success rates, it is important that both parents are at a healthy weight.
It has always been known that staying around a healthier weight is beneficial to our in many ways. For men, the increased chances for improved semen quality are just another benefit to add to the list.
Last Updated ( Friday, 01 August 2008 )
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a sada zanimljivo istrazivanje bas vezano za insulin i musku neplodnost:
ne bi bilo ose da nam neka "jezicara" lepo prevede :)
http://www.clevelandclinic.org/reproductiveresearchcenter/docs/agradoc356.pdf
izvlacim sazetak:
The effect of obesity on sperm disorders
and male infertility
Stefan S. Du Plessis, Stephanie Cabler, Debra A. McAlister, Edmund Sabanegh and Ashok Agarwal
Abstract | The results of several studies point to an increased likelihood of abnormal semen parameters
among overweight men, and an elevated risk for subfertility among couples in which the male partner is
obese. Obesity is, therefore, associated with a higher incidence of male factor infertility. Several mechanisms
might account for the effect of obesity on male infertility, both directly and indirectly, by inducing sleep apnea,
alterations in hormonal profiles (reduced inhibin B and androgen levels accompanied by elevated estrogen
levels) and increased scrotal temperatures, ultimately manifesting as impaired semen parameters (decreased
total sperm count, concentration and motility; increased DNA fragmentation index). Neither the reversibility of
obesity-associated male infertility with weight loss nor effective therapeutic interventions have been studied indepth.
The increasing prevalence of obesity calls for greater clinical awareness of its effects on fertility, better
understanding of underlying mechanisms, and exploration into avenues of treatment.
Resistin secretion and insulin resistance
resistin is another adiposetissuespecific
factor,
which is reported to induce insulin resistance. almost
80% of men with type 2 diabetes are also obese, and an
increase in resistin secretion owing to a higher number
of adipo cytes links obesity to type 2 diabetes.16,23 as a
consequence of insulin resistance in patients with type 2 diabetes, high circulating levels of insulin are present
in the bloodstream. Hyperinsulinemia, which often
occurs in obese men, has an inhibitory effect on normal
spermato genesis and can be linked to decreased male
fertility. in a group of diabetic men, semen parameters
(concentration, motility and morphology) did not differ
from the control group, but the amount of nuclear and
mitochondrial Dna damage in the sperm was significantly
higher.24 this sperm Dna damage can impair
male fertility and reproductive health.
in addition to inducing sperm Dna damage, insulin
levels also have been shown to influence the levels of
sexhormonebinding
globulin (sHBG), a glycoprotein
that binds to sex hormones, specifically testosterone and
estradiol (KOD MM SLUCAJ), thereby inhibiting their biologic activity as a
carrier. High circulating insulin levels inhibit sHBG synthesis
in the liver, whereas weight loss has been shown
to increase sHBG levels.25 in obese males the decrease in
sHBG means that less estrogen will be bound, resulting
in more biologically active, free estrogen. in addition
to the conversion of testosterone to estrogen in obese
patients, the decreased ability of sHBG to sustain
homeostatic levels of free testosterone also contributes
to abnormal testosterone levels.26 this failure to maintain
homeostatic levels might magnify the negative feedback
effect of elevated total estrogen levels. even when
the presence of sHBG is accounted for, an independent
relation ship between insulin resistance and testosterone
production can still be demonstrated.8 therefore, the
levels of sHBG might be important only as a marker of
altered hormone profiles in obese infertile men.
obratite paznju i na slike-lepo je objasnjeno. ne mogu da ih izvucem ovde.
"Hormonal changes might include increases in the levels of
leptin, estrogen and insulin, and a decrease in the level of testosterone. These
changes, in turn, contribute to oligozoospermia, azoospermia, an increase in the
DFi, and a decrease in semen volume. All three categories of change contribute to
obesity-linked male infertility. Abbreviation: DFi, DNA fragmentation index."
ne bi bilo ose da nam neka "jezicara" lepo prevede :)
http://www.clevelandclinic.org/reproductiveresearchcenter/docs/agradoc356.pdf
izvlacim sazetak:
The effect of obesity on sperm disorders
and male infertility
Stefan S. Du Plessis, Stephanie Cabler, Debra A. McAlister, Edmund Sabanegh and Ashok Agarwal
Abstract | The results of several studies point to an increased likelihood of abnormal semen parameters
among overweight men, and an elevated risk for subfertility among couples in which the male partner is
obese. Obesity is, therefore, associated with a higher incidence of male factor infertility. Several mechanisms
might account for the effect of obesity on male infertility, both directly and indirectly, by inducing sleep apnea,
alterations in hormonal profiles (reduced inhibin B and androgen levels accompanied by elevated estrogen
levels) and increased scrotal temperatures, ultimately manifesting as impaired semen parameters (decreased
total sperm count, concentration and motility; increased DNA fragmentation index). Neither the reversibility of
obesity-associated male infertility with weight loss nor effective therapeutic interventions have been studied indepth.
The increasing prevalence of obesity calls for greater clinical awareness of its effects on fertility, better
understanding of underlying mechanisms, and exploration into avenues of treatment.
Resistin secretion and insulin resistance
resistin is another adiposetissuespecific
factor,
which is reported to induce insulin resistance. almost
80% of men with type 2 diabetes are also obese, and an
increase in resistin secretion owing to a higher number
of adipo cytes links obesity to type 2 diabetes.16,23 as a
consequence of insulin resistance in patients with type 2 diabetes, high circulating levels of insulin are present
in the bloodstream. Hyperinsulinemia, which often
occurs in obese men, has an inhibitory effect on normal
spermato genesis and can be linked to decreased male
fertility. in a group of diabetic men, semen parameters
(concentration, motility and morphology) did not differ
from the control group, but the amount of nuclear and
mitochondrial Dna damage in the sperm was significantly
higher.24 this sperm Dna damage can impair
male fertility and reproductive health.
in addition to inducing sperm Dna damage, insulin
levels also have been shown to influence the levels of
sexhormonebinding
globulin (sHBG), a glycoprotein
that binds to sex hormones, specifically testosterone and
estradiol (KOD MM SLUCAJ), thereby inhibiting their biologic activity as a
carrier. High circulating insulin levels inhibit sHBG synthesis
in the liver, whereas weight loss has been shown
to increase sHBG levels.25 in obese males the decrease in
sHBG means that less estrogen will be bound, resulting
in more biologically active, free estrogen. in addition
to the conversion of testosterone to estrogen in obese
patients, the decreased ability of sHBG to sustain
homeostatic levels of free testosterone also contributes
to abnormal testosterone levels.26 this failure to maintain
homeostatic levels might magnify the negative feedback
effect of elevated total estrogen levels. even when
the presence of sHBG is accounted for, an independent
relation ship between insulin resistance and testosterone
production can still be demonstrated.8 therefore, the
levels of sHBG might be important only as a marker of
altered hormone profiles in obese infertile men.
obratite paznju i na slike-lepo je objasnjeno. ne mogu da ih izvucem ovde.
"Hormonal changes might include increases in the levels of
leptin, estrogen and insulin, and a decrease in the level of testosterone. These
changes, in turn, contribute to oligozoospermia, azoospermia, an increase in the
DFi, and a decrease in semen volume. All three categories of change contribute to
obesity-linked male infertility. Abbreviation: DFi, DNA fragmentation index."
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i sad, nabla, na tvoje ptnje o insulinu i spermogramu, kao dodatni argumet na sve ovo, setih se naseg slucaja kad sam prirodno zatrudnela u vreme dijete koju smo zajedno provodili mm i ja-jedan jedini put! ocigledno je urodila plodm i za njegove spermice i za moju ins.rezistenciju.
e onda je sve propalo , kad sam saznavsi da sam trudna, pocela da jedem ko luda, i slakise i sve, misleci da mi "treba" vise....
e onda je sve propalo , kad sam saznavsi da sam trudna, pocela da jedem ko luda, i slakise i sve, misleci da mi "treba" vise....
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i jos... al na srpskom... cisto da bude lakse za razumevanje cele problematike:
http://www.poslovnazena.biz/zdrava-ishrana/metabolicki-sindrom-28-2770
izvuceno najznacajnije:
KAKO PREPOZNATI METABOLIČKI SINDROM
– Kao što smo rekli, u osnovi ovog poremećaja je insulinska rezistencija i posledice dugotrajne hiperinsulinemije. Postoje abdominalni tip gojaznosti, poremećen metabolizam ugljenih hidrata (ili već manifestna šećerna bolest), poremećaj metabolizma masti (povišenje triglicerida i sniženje "zaštitnog" HDL holesterola), povišen krvni pritisak i dr. Za postavljanje dijagnoze nije neophodno prisustvo svih ovih činilaca. Prema kriterijumima američkih eksperata, dijagnoza metaboličkog sindroma može se postaviti ako su prisutna tri od sledećih pet činilaca:
1. Androidna ili abdominalna gojaznost (obim struka kod muškarca veći od 102 cm, a kod žena od 88 cm),
2. Povišen nivo šećera u krvi natašte (iznad 6,1 mmol/1),3. Povišeni trigliceridi (iznad 1,7 mmol/l),
4. Snižen HDL-holesterol (ispod 1,0 mmol/l kod muškaraca i 1,3 mmol/l kod žena),
5. Povišeni krvni pritisak (iznad 130/85).
Na osnovu navedenih kriterijuma svako može sam proceniti da li ima metabolički sindrom. Slični su i kriterijumi SZO.
Od praktičnog je značaja da, kada se dijagnostikuje jedan od kriterijuma, traga i za drugim poremećajima – objašnjava prof. Lepšanović.
Dakle, od najvećeg značaja u prevenciji ovog poremećaja je, sasvim sigurno, održavanje normalne telesne težine uz pravilan način ishrane.
Ovo podrazumeva izostavljanje iz ishrane masti životinjskog porekla i koncentrovanih ugljenih hidrata, povećano konzumiranje povrća i voća, uz obaveznu povećanu fizičku aktivnost, kao i promenjen način života uopšte(prekid pušenja i dr.).
http://www.biljeizdravlje.rs/code/navigate.php?Id=331&editionId=20&articleId=105
..."Insulinska rezistencija je, takođe, jedan od značajnih faktora rizika za pojavu erektilne disfunkcije, a tu su i visok krvni pritisak, zakrečenje krvnih sudova, visoki trigliceridi..."
http://www.stetoskop.info/Dijabetes-melitus-tip-2-i-kardiovaskularna-bolest-2991-s1-content.htm
Insulinska rezistencija i metabolički sindrom
Insulinska rezistencija predstavlja stanje u kome insulin ne može adekvatno da ispolji svoje dejstvo, pa su potrebne veće količine (endogenog ili egzogenog) insulina za normalni biološki odgovor. Insulinska rezistencija predstavlja centralnu komponentu sindroma, koji čine gojaznost, hiperinsulinemija, intolerancija glikoze ili dijabetes, hipertrigliceridemija, smanjenje HDL lipoproteina, i hipertenzija, a koji dovodi do povećanog rizika za kardiovaskularnu bolest i smrtnost. Sindrom insulinske rezistencije je poznat pod više naziva, uključujući sindrom X (Reaven, 1988), metabolički sindrom, i dismetabolički sindrom.
Različite ekspertske organizacije ponudile su dijagnostičke kriterijume za metabolički sindrom, a najčešće upotrebljavani kriterijum je onaj od »National Cholesterol Education Program/ Adult Treatment Panel III« (NCEP-ATP III), dat na tabeli 1.(6,7).
Tabela 1. NCEP/ATP III- Dijagnostički kriterijumi za metabolički sindrom
Dijagnoza se postavlja na osnovu tri ili više kriterijuma
Obim struka
Muškarci > 102 cm
Žene > 88 cm
Trigliceridi našte 1,7 mmol/l
Krvni pritisak >130/85 mmHg ili upotreba antihipertenzivne terapije
HDL holesterol < 1,036 mmol/l za muškarce, ≤ 1,295 mol/l žene
Glikoza našte > 6,1 mmol/l
Često je u upotrebi i kriterijum Svetske zdravstvene organizacije (WHO) dat na tabeli 2.(8,9).
Tabela 2. WHO kriterijumi za metabolički sindrom
Insulinska rezistencija u jednom od sledećih poremećaja:
* Dijabetes tip 2
* Poremećena glikemija našte (6,1- ≤ 7,0 mmol/l)
* Poremećena glikoza tolerancija (7,8-11,1 mmol/l)
* Normoglikemija uz dokazanu insulinsku rezistenciju u uslovima hiperinsulinemijskog euglikemijskog klampa
Plus 2 od sledećih:
* Antihipertenzivna terapija i/ili krvni pritisak > 140/90 mmHg
* Trigliceridi > 1,7 mmol/l
* HDL < 0,9 mmol/l za muškarce ili 1,0 mmol/l za žene
* BMI > 30 kg/m2 i/ili odnos struk/kuk > 0,9 za muškarce i > 0,85 za žene
* Urinarna ekskrecija albumina > 20 mcg/min ili albumin-kreatinin odnos > 30 mg/g (mikroalbuminurija)
http://www.poslovnazena.biz/zdrava-ishrana/metabolicki-sindrom-28-2770
izvuceno najznacajnije:
KAKO PREPOZNATI METABOLIČKI SINDROM
– Kao što smo rekli, u osnovi ovog poremećaja je insulinska rezistencija i posledice dugotrajne hiperinsulinemije. Postoje abdominalni tip gojaznosti, poremećen metabolizam ugljenih hidrata (ili već manifestna šećerna bolest), poremećaj metabolizma masti (povišenje triglicerida i sniženje "zaštitnog" HDL holesterola), povišen krvni pritisak i dr. Za postavljanje dijagnoze nije neophodno prisustvo svih ovih činilaca. Prema kriterijumima američkih eksperata, dijagnoza metaboličkog sindroma može se postaviti ako su prisutna tri od sledećih pet činilaca:
1. Androidna ili abdominalna gojaznost (obim struka kod muškarca veći od 102 cm, a kod žena od 88 cm),
2. Povišen nivo šećera u krvi natašte (iznad 6,1 mmol/1),3. Povišeni trigliceridi (iznad 1,7 mmol/l),
4. Snižen HDL-holesterol (ispod 1,0 mmol/l kod muškaraca i 1,3 mmol/l kod žena),
5. Povišeni krvni pritisak (iznad 130/85).
Na osnovu navedenih kriterijuma svako može sam proceniti da li ima metabolički sindrom. Slični su i kriterijumi SZO.
Od praktičnog je značaja da, kada se dijagnostikuje jedan od kriterijuma, traga i za drugim poremećajima – objašnjava prof. Lepšanović.
Dakle, od najvećeg značaja u prevenciji ovog poremećaja je, sasvim sigurno, održavanje normalne telesne težine uz pravilan način ishrane.
Ovo podrazumeva izostavljanje iz ishrane masti životinjskog porekla i koncentrovanih ugljenih hidrata, povećano konzumiranje povrća i voća, uz obaveznu povećanu fizičku aktivnost, kao i promenjen način života uopšte(prekid pušenja i dr.).
http://www.biljeizdravlje.rs/code/navigate.php?Id=331&editionId=20&articleId=105
..."Insulinska rezistencija je, takođe, jedan od značajnih faktora rizika za pojavu erektilne disfunkcije, a tu su i visok krvni pritisak, zakrečenje krvnih sudova, visoki trigliceridi..."
http://www.stetoskop.info/Dijabetes-melitus-tip-2-i-kardiovaskularna-bolest-2991-s1-content.htm
Insulinska rezistencija i metabolički sindrom
Insulinska rezistencija predstavlja stanje u kome insulin ne može adekvatno da ispolji svoje dejstvo, pa su potrebne veće količine (endogenog ili egzogenog) insulina za normalni biološki odgovor. Insulinska rezistencija predstavlja centralnu komponentu sindroma, koji čine gojaznost, hiperinsulinemija, intolerancija glikoze ili dijabetes, hipertrigliceridemija, smanjenje HDL lipoproteina, i hipertenzija, a koji dovodi do povećanog rizika za kardiovaskularnu bolest i smrtnost. Sindrom insulinske rezistencije je poznat pod više naziva, uključujući sindrom X (Reaven, 1988), metabolički sindrom, i dismetabolički sindrom.
Različite ekspertske organizacije ponudile su dijagnostičke kriterijume za metabolički sindrom, a najčešće upotrebljavani kriterijum je onaj od »National Cholesterol Education Program/ Adult Treatment Panel III« (NCEP-ATP III), dat na tabeli 1.(6,7).
Tabela 1. NCEP/ATP III- Dijagnostički kriterijumi za metabolički sindrom
Dijagnoza se postavlja na osnovu tri ili više kriterijuma
Obim struka
Muškarci > 102 cm
Žene > 88 cm
Trigliceridi našte 1,7 mmol/l
Krvni pritisak >130/85 mmHg ili upotreba antihipertenzivne terapije
HDL holesterol < 1,036 mmol/l za muškarce, ≤ 1,295 mol/l žene
Glikoza našte > 6,1 mmol/l
Često je u upotrebi i kriterijum Svetske zdravstvene organizacije (WHO) dat na tabeli 2.(8,9).
Tabela 2. WHO kriterijumi za metabolički sindrom
Insulinska rezistencija u jednom od sledećih poremećaja:
* Dijabetes tip 2
* Poremećena glikemija našte (6,1- ≤ 7,0 mmol/l)
* Poremećena glikoza tolerancija (7,8-11,1 mmol/l)
* Normoglikemija uz dokazanu insulinsku rezistenciju u uslovima hiperinsulinemijskog euglikemijskog klampa
Plus 2 od sledećih:
* Antihipertenzivna terapija i/ili krvni pritisak > 140/90 mmHg
* Trigliceridi > 1,7 mmol/l
* HDL < 0,9 mmol/l za muškarce ili 1,0 mmol/l za žene
* BMI > 30 kg/m2 i/ili odnos struk/kuk > 0,9 za muškarce i > 0,85 za žene
* Urinarna ekskrecija albumina > 20 mcg/min ili albumin-kreatinin odnos > 30 mg/g (mikroalbuminurija)
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Sta da kazem sto vec nije receno.
Nervira me to sto ce ispasti da mnogi parovi, pogotovu tzv idiopate u stvari i imaju problem koji se relativno lako resava. A kod nas se to resava desetinama stimulacija, pa ko veli, jedna ce da upali. Bas sam besna.
A to sve treba da otkrijemo same, guglajuci i praveci ankete i .... A sta su subspecijalisti ucili? Pogotovu ovi profesori? Oni uce sledece generacije subspecijalista?! Blago nama
Nervira me to sto ce ispasti da mnogi parovi, pogotovu tzv idiopate u stvari i imaju problem koji se relativno lako resava. A kod nas se to resava desetinama stimulacija, pa ko veli, jedna ce da upali. Bas sam besna.
A to sve treba da otkrijemo same, guglajuci i praveci ankete i .... A sta su subspecijalisti ucili? Pogotovu ovi profesori? Oni uce sledece generacije subspecijalista?! Blago nama
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lele sta se ovde izdesavalo i sta sam sve novo procitala.
da se prodruzim i ja sa novi rezultatima oggt sa insulinemijama
glukoza
0min 4.6
30min 8.8
60min 9.4
120min 4.2
180min 3.6
prekinut test u 180min zbog funcionalne postpradijalne hipoglikemije od 3.6mmol/l
simnomi isti ko kod Pari. samo sto sam ja lezala u dnevnoj bolnici sa ukljucenom infuzijom sve vreme testa. krv vanjena na 30min iz prsta i iz vene.
insulunemije
0min 3.7
30min 31.6
60min 68.1
120min 11.9
180min 8.7 mU/l
c-peptid
0min 1.1
30min 4.7
60min 10.1
120min 5.2
180min 2.9
Hormoni stitne zlezde uredni( sa anitelima). OGGT test sa 75g glukoze u 0min 4.6mmol/l u 120 min 4.2mmol/l uz bazalnu hipoinsulinemiju (3.7mU/L) i hiperinsulinemiju u 30min, 60min i 90min testa. Max insulinemija u 60min -68.1mU/l sto ukazuje na rezistenciju na insulin.
Sta da kazem vise, treba ovaj test uvesti kao obavezan pre prijave za vto a ne ovako. lak i jednostavan a toliko problema stvara. kao i uvek sami sebi pomazeno i nalzimo resenja
u ponedeljak idem kod dr da pogleda nalaze.
da se prodruzim i ja sa novi rezultatima oggt sa insulinemijama
glukoza
0min 4.6
30min 8.8
60min 9.4
120min 4.2
180min 3.6
prekinut test u 180min zbog funcionalne postpradijalne hipoglikemije od 3.6mmol/l
simnomi isti ko kod Pari. samo sto sam ja lezala u dnevnoj bolnici sa ukljucenom infuzijom sve vreme testa. krv vanjena na 30min iz prsta i iz vene.
insulunemije
0min 3.7
30min 31.6
60min 68.1
120min 11.9
180min 8.7 mU/l
c-peptid
0min 1.1
30min 4.7
60min 10.1
120min 5.2
180min 2.9
Hormoni stitne zlezde uredni( sa anitelima). OGGT test sa 75g glukoze u 0min 4.6mmol/l u 120 min 4.2mmol/l uz bazalnu hipoinsulinemiju (3.7mU/L) i hiperinsulinemiju u 30min, 60min i 90min testa. Max insulinemija u 60min -68.1mU/l sto ukazuje na rezistenciju na insulin.
Sta da kazem vise, treba ovaj test uvesti kao obavezan pre prijave za vto a ne ovako. lak i jednostavan a toliko problema stvara. kao i uvek sami sebi pomazeno i nalzimo resenja
u ponedeljak idem kod dr da pogleda nalaze.
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Cici, u pravu si, ovaj test definitivno treba da bude obavezan, spasio bi mnogo zena muka i bezuspesnih pokusaja VTO.
Tvoji rezultati su dosta bolji od mojih. Vidim da ti se insulin nakon 120 min vraca u ref vrednosti, a meni se jos povecava, sa oko 60 koliko je nakon sat vremena na 75 koliko je nakon dva sata.
Verovatno ce ti dr prepisati Siofor, ali u manjoj kolicini.
Srecno!
Tvoji rezultati su dosta bolji od mojih. Vidim da ti se insulin nakon 120 min vraca u ref vrednosti, a meni se jos povecava, sa oko 60 koliko je nakon sat vremena na 75 koliko je nakon dva sata.
Verovatno ce ti dr prepisati Siofor, ali u manjoj kolicini.
Srecno!
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Cici,a ko ti je rekao da c-peptid radiš na svakom vađenju?
malo su nam različite jed. za insulin i peptid,pa se tu ne snalazim,ali imam ref. pa vidim da ne štima.
malo su nam različite jed. za insulin i peptid,pa se tu ne snalazim,ali imam ref. pa vidim da ne štima.
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Jovana 77 mozes da odradis ogtt sa insulinemijama u BioMedici na Slaviji samo naglasis sa koliko grama glukoze ( obicno 75 gr) koliko vadjenja ( ja sam 0.60.120)...
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Pari, niko me ja nista nisam rekla, niti me pitali. primili su me u dnevnu bolnicu. odlezala sam pola sata,za to vreme mi ukljucili infuziju. zatim dali da popijem onu secernu vodicu. i dalje sam pisla. pozlilo mi je u 180min teska slicno kao tebi pa su jurili ko ima sta slatko da mi podigne secer. dr je odlucio da ga tada prekine da ne bi papo jos nize. tako pise u otpusnoj listi, nazalost nemam referenten vrednosti.
pritisak mi je bio 130/90mmHg
T3 1.6 ( nema ref vrednosti)
t4 110
ft4 14.2
anti Tg At 7.5
anti TPO At <5
Zoko, da jesu bolji,. videcu sta predlaze dr dalje
pritisak mi je bio 130/90mmHg
T3 1.6 ( nema ref vrednosti)
t4 110
ft4 14.2
anti Tg At 7.5
anti TPO At <5
Zoko, da jesu bolji,. videcu sta predlaze dr dalje
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Cicko, i ti u drustvo slatkih devojaka
Ajd sad, mi napisis, nisam nista shvatila prosli put, ko te je uputio, GDE i na kakvom uputu? I na osnovu cega? da li dr opste ili ginekolog, kome i u koju ustanovu. Gde si radila?
Ajd sad, mi napisis, nisam nista shvatila prosli put, ko te je uputio, GDE i na kakvom uputu? I na osnovu cega? da li dr opste ili ginekolog, kome i u koju ustanovu. Gde si radila?
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Ovako, zbog mojih bubrega i problema joje sam imala u medjuvremenu sa njima i na osnovu onog prvog oggt testa. Kakve veze imaju bubrezi sa insulunom i secerom nemam pojma. Zeleni uput za dnevnu bolnicu zemun. napisala ga dr opste prakse. posto sam joj se zalila na cesto ustajnje nocu, suva usta, zedj i ponekad posle jela imam osecaj rupe u stomaku-ko da nisam nista jela. sve ovo ona nije uzimala za ozbilno-razlog je bio naravno stres. To vec znate sta me sve muci. kada mi se pojavila krv u mokraci hitbno me je poslala na eho abdomena i da ponovim test.
Draga moja, necu izgleda vise biti slatka
izbacice mi sve sto volem da jedem ali....
zaboravila sam da dopisem:
Da postoji rizik od razvoja diabetes mellitusa. treba da uradim jos: androstenedion i DHEAS. mada nemam pojma sta je ovo
Draga moja, necu izgleda vise biti slatka
izbacice mi sve sto volem da jedem ali....
zaboravila sam da dopisem:
Da postoji rizik od razvoja diabetes mellitusa. treba da uradim jos: androstenedion i DHEAS. mada nemam pojma sta je ovo
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