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Počalji od Simona taj 20/2/2014, 07:06

Pogledah sinoć film "Mother and child". Govori o biološkoj majci koja je dala dete na usvajanje, njenoj već odrasloj biološkoj ćerci i paru koji usvaja dete. Nekako je film najviše o toj biološkoj majci, a ostali likovi su nekako meni nedovršeni... Ali može da se pogleda.

Imate li još neke filmove o usvajanju koje biste preporučile? Ali mislim poput ovog -za odrasle, da odgledam uveče, kad Vilenjak zaspi...

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Počalji od milkyway taj 20/2/2014, 11:50

Simona ::Pogledah sinoć film "Mother and child". Govori o biološkoj majci koja je dala dete na usvajanje, njenoj već odrasloj biološkoj ćerci i paru koji usvaja dete. Nekako je film najviše o toj biološkoj majci, a ostali likovi su nekako meni nedovršeni... Ali može da se pogleda.

Imate li još neke filmove o usvajanju koje biste preporučile? Ali mislim poput ovog -za odrasle, da odgledam uveče, kad Vilenjak zaspi...

I taj sam gledala. Sa MM, plakali oboje, lakše nama zaplakati nego pijanom zapevati  Laughing (jadničak, kad bi znao kako ga ofirem ovde svako malo da je lak na suzama Laughing). Meni je bio odličan, ako mislimo na isti film. Sa Naomi Vots, je l´ tako? Meni su sasvim dobro predstavljeni likovi, i biološka majka, i njena ćerka i usvojiteljka ćerkinog deteta, ne znam, nisam neki filmski ekspert, ali mi je bio baš dobar.

Inače nemam neku preporuku. Sećam se nekog groznog filma, zaboravila sam naziv, o paru koji usvaja brata i sestru. U pitanju je televizijski film, loša produkcija, pun klišea. Radi se o tome da su deca zlostavljana u biol. porodici i devojčica ima tako teške traume da je i sama izrasla u mučitelja i potencijalnog ubicu Shocked, nesposobna za empatiju ili bilo kakvu emociju. Roditelji to uvide posle niza užasa koje priređuje njima i mlađem bratu i vode je na neku alternativnu terapiju uz pomoć koje dolazi do prvih naznaka poboljšanja i tako se nekako završava film. Sećam se da danima nisam mogla da se otresem tog filma, ostavlja zaista težak i mučan utisak. Svakako nije nešto što bih preporučila potencijalnim usvojiteljima. Nit je realan, nit pomaže u razumevanju nečega. U svakom slučaju, eto, ne sećam se ni koji je film u pitanju pa može i da se zanemari ceo ovaj post Rolling Eyes.

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Počalji od Simona taj 20/2/2014, 12:12

Milkyway,
jeste dobar je film, zato sam ga i preporučila. Mada mene nije tako ganuo. Bar ja vidim opet idealizaciju biološkog materinstva (biološka majka ceo život pati, a ćerka koja je data na usvajanje emotivno blokirana, usvojena majka prvo gubi jedno dete jer se biološka majka predomislila a onda dopušta da njenu ćerku vidi biološka baba itd). Ja bih da gledam neki film sa idealizacijom usvojenog majčinstva ako je to ikad snimljeno Very Happy

Inače na našim tv stanicama se često prikazuju neki filmovi o usvajanju samo ih ja ne odgledam jer ne gledam tv. Majka mi prepričava ali su obično na taj kalup, stereotipi, idealizacija biološkog materinstva bez razmišljanja o usvojenim roditeljima i o deci. Npr posledenje što mi je pričala je o nekoj biološkoj majci kojoj su oduzete dve devojčice i onda ih ona otima  affraid I sad je film napravljen tako da bi trebalo da se saosećamo sa njom ali ja nikako ne mogu da saosećam, mislim mogu dok nije otela decu. A onda pomislim na sebe, nas... pa zamislite da nam biološki roditelji otimaju decu a mi im nalazimo opravdanja i saosećamo... Ili u ovom filmu što sam sinoć gledala, koliko bi nas bilo voljno da spaja dete i biološku babu ma koliko da je biološka baba nesrećna? Znam naravno da su to filmovi itd ali opet ne mogu da me ganu priče o nesrećnim biološkim majkama, babama i sl Very Happy Bar ne mogu onako kako mogu o usvojenim...

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Počalji od Struzzo taj 20/2/2014, 13:14

Uopšte ne mogu da se setim nijednog filma gde se idealizuje usvojenje.
I to jeste za zapitati se....mislim zašto ih nema kad postoje i režiseri, glumci, scenaristi, književnici, verujem i producenti koji su usvojeni...
Da li je to ipak bila dugo tabu tema?
Možda će tek nove generacije usvojene dece (bar i u Holivodu ima ihaj) pričati otvoreno o tome.
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Počalji od Simona taj 20/2/2014, 22:19

Evo nadjoh ovde spisak filmova pa da podelim sa vama, ne znam koliko su dobri, neki su vrlo stari, mene više zanimaju noviji....

https://www.adoptionhealing.com/AdoptionMovies.html

All She Ever Wanted-1996 TVM; Marcia Cross, James Marshall; The Stockmans are the perfect couple...young, successful, and deeply in love...but they have one problem: They want children. Since Rachel suffers from severe bi-polar disorder that has to be controlled by lithium, she can't risk getting pregnant. But because of her mental health history, they are bad candidates for adoption. Finally Rachel gives up on the system, and does things her own way...she goes off her drugs and gets pregnant. The ensuing nine months get worse and worse for the young woman, as there are legal battles to end her pregnancy in order to force her back on the drug.

Anne of Green Gables-1934; Anne Shirley; Classic tale of orphan being adopted by a brother and sister to help on a farm in Nova Scotia. Superior 1985 remake starring Megan Follows, Coleen Dewhurst, and Richard Farnsworth was followed by a sequel in 1987 called Anne of Avonlea. Followed by a Disney TV series and a sequel film in 2000.

Baby Business-1995 Documentary; Increasingly, middle-class families in the developed world who are unable to have children seek to adopt in the Third World where middlemen are making money out of misery and turning international adoption into a trafficking operation in babies. In El Salvador, women tell how soldiers snatched their babies from their arms during the civil war, babies who were later adopted abroad. In Central America, stolen children are kept in illegal nurseries and women are paid to act as mothers, giving them up for adoption. Also shown is the situation of the man in Mississippi, the natural father of a baby who was given up for adoption without his consent. Nevertheless, elimination of the middlemen allows humanitarian programs such as the one in Haiti, under which two British Columbian families adopt babies from unfortunate families seeking a secure future for their children.

The Baby Maker-1970; Barbara Hershey; Tish Gray had a baby and gave it up for adoption. She is contacted by a second childless couple who want her to have the husband's baby because of the wife's inability to have children. She accepts but finds that knowing the parents, and developing a relationship with them for the entire pregnancy complicates the simple arrangement. OK treatment for an early exploration of open adoption/surrogacy.

Baby M-1988 TVM; JoBeth Williams, Dabney Coleman; Above average treatment of the famous surrogate mother story.

Bachelor Mother-1939; Ginger Rogers, David Niven; Rogers becomes the guardian for an abandoned baby.

The Bad Seed-1956; Nancy Kelly, Patty McCormack; Sweet looking 8 year old girl is a liar and a murderess; her adoptee mother finds out the truth and tries to commit suicide. Remade as a 1985 TV movie.

Batman Returns-1992; Michael Keaton, Danny Devito; An abandoned child returns as an adult and searches for his parents.

The Bigamist-1953; Edmond O’Brien, Joan Fontaine, Ida Lupino, Edmund Gwenn; Harry and Eve Graham are trying to adopt a baby. The head of the agency senses Harry is keeping a secret and does some investigating. He soon discovers Harry has done an unusual amount of traveling from his home in San Francisco to Los Angeles. Harry gets tracked down in LA where he has a second wife and a baby. Via flashbacks, Harry tells the adoption agent how he ended up in two marriages. Directed by Ida Lupino.

The Big City-1948; Margaret O’Brien, Robert Preston, Danny Thomas, George Murphy; Maudlin drama has O’Brien adopted by three men.

Black Market Baby-1977; Linda Purl; Desi Arnez Jr.; A pregnant college student fights a baby selling ring.

Blossoms in the Dust-1941; Greer Garson, Walter Pidgeon; The Edna Mae Gladney Story on film; she is one of the reasons adoption records were sealed, to “protect” adoptees from the bastard label. One of the first Technicolor movies. Garson won her second Academy Award for her performance.

Border Line-1991 TVM; Sherry Stringfield, Christopher Reid; An attorney who represents an international adoption agency in Los Angeles accidentally discovers a murder involving the agency. She then gets mixed up in an illegal operation involving Asian mothers who are forced to give up their babies. Working with a private detective and an immigration officer she eventually finds the truth.

Boulevard-1994; Kari Wuhrer , Rae Dawn Chong, Lou Diamond Philips; A young woman regularly beaten and tortured by her lover, gives birth and immediately gives the child up for adoption. This sets her on an escape from the lover on the streets of Toronto. Here she meets a hardened hooker who takes her in so she won't be arrested for vagrancy.

A Child Lost Forever-1995 TVM; Beverly D’Angelo; Birthmother searches for her child and discovers the adoptive mother murdered him years earlier. Interesting flashback to her life at a reform school. Based on a true story.

Cradle of Conspiracy-1994 TVM; Danica McKellar, Dee Wallace Stone, Kristin, daughter of upper middle class parents, can hardly stand the immense pressure to fullfil her mother's dream of success in sports and high school. In this tense situation she gets emotional support by Kenny, who secretly plans to make her pregnant and sell the baby for adoption. After a true story.

Ca-bau-kan-2002; Lola Amaria; A women from Holland returns to Indonesia, the country of her roots. When she was a little child she was given up for adoption and now she is ready to discover the story of her life. She finds out that the truth about both her parents is very revealing, shocking at times, but comes to terms with her past.

Daddy and Papa-2002; A documentary written and directed by Johnny Symons; Daddy & Papa explores the growing phenomenon of gay fatherhood and its impact on American culture. Through the stories of four different families, Daddy & Papa delves into some of the particular challenges facing gay men who decide to become dads. From surrogacy and interracial adoption, to the complexities of gay divorce, to the battle for full legal status as parents,

Danielle Steel’s Mixed Blessings-1995 TVM; Scott Baio, Alexandra Paul, Bruce Weitz; Three newly married couples want to start a family. However, there are a few complications, for Brad & Pilar, it's time, not only are they both very mature, Brad already has grown up daughter and is about to have a baby of her own. For Andy & Diana, it would be difficult for her to conceive, so they explore other options, like surrogacy and adoption. And for Charlie and Beth, it's the fact that he wants to be a father but she is not sure if she wants to.

Danielle Steel’s No Greater Love-1996 TVM; Kelly Rutherford, Chris Sarandon; A young infant is put up for adoption after her parents went down with the Titanic in 1912. Nearly 50 years later, now a grown woman she looks for her other siblings who she believed survived after the Titanic went down.

Dear Jesse-1997; Can you go home again? What if you're a gay man and home is a state where voters keep electing a homophobe to the US Senate? In 1996, at age 30, native son Tim Kirkman returns to North Carolina to explore the parallels and differences between himself and Jesse Helms: they're from the same town and college, with media interests, from families blessed by adoptions, Baptists by upbringing. Tim puts his camera in front of his family, a boyhood pal, college friends, his pastor, Helms fans, community activists, novelists Lee Smith and Allan Gurganus, a mayor who's gay, and people in the street, including a brief interview with Matthew Shepard. What is it to judge, and what is it to love?

Delinquent Parents-1938; Doris Weston, Maurice Murphy; Rich boy marries poor girl. Poor girl gets pregnant. Rich boy's parents don't know they're married, forbid him to see her anymore. Rich boy dumps poor girl, poor girl gives baby up for adoption. Rich boy and his family are happy, poor girl and her family are miserable.

Den Eneste ene-1999; Sidse Babitt Knudesen, Niels Olsen; This romantic comedy follows two couples in Copenhagen trying to settle down. Søs, who works in a beauty clinic, tries to live happily with her Italian husband. Soon after she tells him that she's pregnant, she discovers that he's having an affair with one of her clients at the beauty clinic. She kicks him out of the apartment just as their new kitchen arrives. Niller, the kitchen installer, is a down-to-earth kind of guy who lives a childless, but otherwise happy life with Lizzie. They're busy preparing for a child adoption, only one event will have a huge impact on both their lives just as the newly adopted girl shows up from Burkina Fasu. At the same time Niller falls head-over-heels in love with Søs.

The Divided Heart-1954; Cornell Bouchers, Yvonne Mitchell; Yugoslavian woman finds that her child, lost during World War II, has been adopted by a German family.

El Milagro de P. Tinto-1998; Luis Ciges, Silvia Casanova; Wafer factory-owner P. Tinto and his wife Olivia want a child of their own more than anything else in the world. Years of trying, however, have left them with nothing but a pair of extraterrestrial midgets living in the spare bedroom. When they decide to try adoption, a series of misroutings and chance encounters results in an escaped adult mental patient arriving at their door with adoption papers in hand. P. Tinto and Olivia accept this without question and welcome him in as their son. Can this family arrangement work? Strange but funny.

Empire of the Sun-1989; Christian Bale, John Malkovich, Miranda Richardson; An aristocratic British youth is separated from his family at the start of World War II after the Japanese Army invades British controlled areas of China. Reduced to living on the street and fighting for food, the youth is eventually interned in a Japanese POW camp for British civilians. Here, admiration quickly develops both for captured American pilots and the Japanese themselves. When the war ends, the boy torn from everything he knew attempts to again find his parents. Directed by Steven Spielberg. While not about adoption, it does cover separation and loss in a child.

Family Plot-1976; Karen Black, Bruce Dern; Fake medium Madam Blanche and her taxi driver boyfriend make a living from her phony powers. They are hired by an aging widow, Julia Rainbird to find her nephew who was given away for adoption many years earlier following a family scandal. Meanwhile, an extremely clever couple are behind a series of kidnappings in the San Francisco area. The two couples path's cross and chaos results in Alfred Hitchcock's last film.

A Family Thing-1996; Robert Duval, James Earl Jones; Bowlegged cracker, Earl Pilcher Jr., runs an equipment rental outfit in Arkansas, lives with his wife and kids and parents, and rarely takes off his gimme cap. His mother dies, leaving a letter explaining he's not her natural son, but the son of a Black woman who died in childbirth; plus, he has a half brother Ray, in Chicago, she wants him to visit. Earl makes the trip, initially receiving a cold welcome from Ray and Ray's son, Virgil. His birth mother's sister, Aunt T., an aged and blind matriarch, takes Earl in tow and insists that the family open up to him. Co-written by Billy Bob Thornton.

A Father for Brittany; AKA A Change of Heart-1998 Australia TVM; Andrew McCarthy, Michael Learned; Keith and Kim Lussier are a childless couple who are given custody of a 3-month-old foster child, Brittany. However, tragedy strikes when Kim dies of cancer in the middle of the adoption process, leaving Keith to fight for Brittany's custody alone.

Flirting with Disaster-1995; Ben Stiller, Mary Tyler Moore, George Segal, Alan Alda, Lily Tomlin; Farce about an adoptee searching for his birthmother.

Follow Me, Boys-1966; Fred MacMurray, Vera Miles, Kurt Russell; Disney vehicle about a Scout leader in a small town.

Footballers Wives-2002 TV Series; Drama series about the women married to members of Earls Park football team. Ian gets offered a place on the first team, while his wife Donna tries to track down the son they gave up for adoption nine years ago.

For Keeps-1988; Molly Ringwald, John Zarchen; Darcy and her long-term boyfriend Stan are in their last months of school and already have found places in good colleges. Recently they started to sleep with each other and Darcy gets pregnant. Neither Darcy's mother, who was left by her husband and had to bring up Darcy alone, nor Stan's Catholic parents are very supportive and urge them to have an abortion or give up for adoption respectively. However Darcy's and Stan's love is so intense, they could imagine to have a baby, but this would mean to give up their college carriers.

Frisco Jenny-1932; Ruth Chatterton, Louis Calhern; Frisco Jenny was orphaned by the 1906 earthquake and fire and has become the madame of prosperous bawdy house. She puts her son up for adoption and he rises to prominence as district attorney dedicated to closing down such houses. When her underling proposes killing the DA, she kills the underling and must face execution. Directed by William Wellman.

Gas Station Jesus-2001; Lori Heuring, Clayne Crawford; When a young woman opts to abort a miraculous conception, a Christian Fundamentalist group intervenes. Duped into an adoption scheme, Maggie agrees to carry the baby to term but gradually comes to suspect the entire arrangement. She ends up marooned at a rural service station, where she encounters a wise old radio preacher, Isaiah, and his reluctant prophet of a son, Manny, who end up guiding her on the rest of her journey. It's not an easy journey, however, as Maggie is stalked, chased and forced off the road. In a woodsy field, she comes face to face with her assailants and herself, as she prepares to undergo a painfully unorthodox delivery and yet another unforeseen miracle...


Here Comes the Groom-1951; Bing Crosby, Jane Wyman, Alexis Smith; Pete Garvey, foreign correspondent, has been running an impromptu adoption agency for war orphans in Paris, when an ultimatum from his erstwhile fiancée draws him back to Boston, complete with two adopted orphans to melt her heart. Too late! She's now engaged and if Pete's not married within five days, he loses the kids. Directed by Frank Capra.

High Tide-1987; Judy Davis, Jan Adele; A birthmother is stranded in an Australian trailer park only to discover her relinquished daughter.

Immediate Family-1989; Glen Close, James Fox; A wealthy, childless couple enters into an open adoption.

Jack Be Nimble-1993; Alexis Arquette, Sarah Smuts Kennedy; Jack and Dora, abandoned by their parents as babies, are desperate to find each other after years of adoption. Jack's young life has been spent with a sadistic family. Dora, whose life has been somewhat better, has developed extra-sensory powers which tell her that Jack's in danger and drives her to search for him.

Katts and Dog-1988-91 TV Series;Andrew Bednarski; "Katts and Dog", otherwise known as "Rin Tin Tin K-9 Cop", is about the life of Canine Officer Hank Katts and his partner, Rinty; how they fight crime and the forces of evil. It also shows the life of Hank's nephew, Steve; through the death of his mother and his adoption by Officer Katts.

Kiddie Kure-1940; George “ Spanky” McFarland. Carl “Alfalfa” Switzer, Robert Blake; Rich 'Old Man' Morton is a hypochondriac. The doctor suggests to Morton's wife that adopting a child might help cure Mr. Morton of his delusions. Overhearing the conversation, Morton invites the the Our Gang to lunch in order to sour his wife on children and adoption.

The Lady is Willing-1942 Marlene Dietrich, Fred MacMurray; Bold, eccentric Broadway performer Lisa Madden befuddles her handlers by coming home with a baby she picked up on the street. She wants to keep the baby but has to find a husband to make adoption viable. Why not her new obstetrician Dr. McBain? She offers him help with his research on rabbits in exchange for marriage - and he accepts. The marriage of convenience turns into a marriage of real love. When Dr. McBain's ex-wife comes looking for money, Lisa suspects something and leaves New York. However, a serious illness with the baby brings them together again as McBain operates to try and save the baby's life.

Lazurus-1994; William Armstrong, Karen Austin, Musa Luvuno; This unusual drama with a message, set in England and filmed entirely in English, concerns a wealthy British couple of Polish descent who adopt a son because they are unable to have children. However the illegal adoption process they go through involves paying an exorbitant fee to an underground broker, and the child they receive is not the Latin American infant promised, but a strangely hardened 10-year-old from Mozambique. Desperately disappointed with their "purchase," the new parents nonetheless make fumbling efforts to make the child Lazar feel at home. But Lazar is not receptive, and behaves more like a threatened and hunted animal each day in his affluent surroundings. In time, the couple are able to communicate with the boy to discover that he saw his family die and was forced to accompany the army, where along with other children he was trained to execute prisoners in mass killings. Lazar ultimately develops the will to try to become a child again, but he feels constantly endangered by the wealthy new world around him. One day he runs away, stealing a weapon from his favorite new grandfather. When police rounds up of him, it looks like the boy tries to defend himself

Les Cigognes n’en font qu’a leaur tete-1989; Marlene Jobert, Patrick Chesnais; Married to Jeremie, Marie wants desperately to have a child. She has a 20 year old daughter from a former marriage with the police commissioner. When the gynecologist confirms they are unable to conceive a child together, they opt for adoption. However, it is a very lengthy and difficult process. When her daughter meets Joanna, a pregnant teenager willing to give up her child for adoption, Marie is thrilled. And so Joanna moves in...


Little Girl Lost-1988; Tess Harper, Frederick Forrest

Little John-2002 TVM; Gloria Reubens, Ving Rhames, Patty Duke; The unmarried daughter of a Texas rancher gives birth to an unwanted child. She puts the child up for adoption and moves away from home. Without her knowledge, her father took the boy and raised him. Twelve years later, she is now a successful family-court judge in L.A. Over the years, she has avoided her father and knows nothing of the child. That all changes when he decides that is time she knew her own child and heads for L.A. However, he quickly finds that she wants nothing to do with her father and cares little about the son she never knew.

Losing Isaiah-1995; Halle Berry; Jessica Lange; White adoptive mother and black birthmother fight over her abandoned child.

The Lost Child-2000 TVM; Mercedes Ruehl, Jamey Sheridan; A story about Rebecca, a woman who goes in search of her natural parents and in the process finds her long lost family and her rich cultural heritage. Her adoption was never kept a secret from her while she grew up in a loving adoptive family. But her circumstances are drastically changed when her adoptive mother passes away and her father's new wife shows no interest in his child. Then, years later, after her father dies, Rebecca decides to try to find the family her dad had described to her. In response to her search, she is contacted by a woman on a Navajo reservation who is looking for her twin siblings who were stolen from their mother soon after they were born. The women soon realize that they are sisters and Rebecca is welcomed with open arms on a visit to the reservation. But when her husband, Jack, comes to see them, the differences between the two cultures rise to the surface, and Rebecca must integrate the old and the new so that her whole family can be together happily.

Made in China: The Story of Adopted Children from China-2000 TVM; Written and directed by Karin Lee. Made in China tells the poignant stories of adopted children from China, predominantly girls, who live in three distinct regions of Canada. Many of the children live with white families and face the challenge of making sense of their identity and their roots at a very young age. We meet the children in their homes, social settings and schools. They explain how they deal with issues of race, racism, abandonment and adoption, birth parents and whether they will return to China to search for their roots. Their stories reflect their inner conflicts and how they have come to terms with their hybrid identities. Sometimes tough, sometimes vulnerable, the children reveal the joys and pain of living in a visibly adoptive family.

Marvin and Tige-1983; John Cassavetes, Billy Dee Williams; Old man and orphan are thrown together to find the child’s birthfather.

The Miracle-1991; Beverly D’Angelo, Niall Byrne; Genetic Sexual Attraction occurs when a male adoptee meets and actress who turns out to be his birthmother.

Mighty Aphrodite-1995; Woody Allen; Adoptive father searches for his child’s prostitute birthmother.

Mommie Dearest-1981; Faye Dunaway, Diana Scarwid; The adopted family life of Joan Crawford; several of her adopted children where stolen by the Tennessee Children’s Home (See Stolen Babies). Remember, NO WIRE HANGARS!

Mon Amie Max-1994; Genevieve Bujold, Marthe Keller; Catherine, a concert pianist, is surprised one night by the arrival of her best friend from childhood, Marie-Alexandrine (Max), whom she hasn't seen for 25 years. Catherine and Max were Québec's most promising young pianists in the mid-1960's when the adventurous Max gets pregnant. She wants to keep the child, but her mother forces her to give him up for adoption; afterwards, Max leaves Québec and music. Now, years later, she returns, obsessed with finding her son. She locates the adoption records, and social services contacts her son to ask if he wants to see her. He refuses, but she keeps trying. Is a relationship with him possible? And what about her musical talent?

My Own Private Idaho-1992; River Phoenix, Keanu Reeves; Two teenagers search for the birthmother of one of them.

Next of Kin-1984; Patrick Tierney; Berge Fazlian; Twenty-three-year old Peter Foster is an only child who lives at home, where he constantly hears his parents arguing. Because Peter does nothing all day, the family goes to a clinic where a therapist videotapes them. After Peter watches his tape, he views the tape of a troubled Armenian family, who gave their only son away for adoption when they arrived in Canada. Peter decides to visit this family, and he pretends to be their son, Bedros Deryan. The Deryan family welcomes him with open arms, and Peter tries to patch up the poor relationship between George Deryan and his daughter Azah.

Niedzielne dzieci-1977 aka Sunday Children-Polish; Ryszard Kotys, Zofia Tomaszewska-Graziewicz; A middle-aged pair of newlyweds is still without a child after two years of marriage. It's an embarassment so they decide to adopt a child. This takes time, however, and they cannot wait. The solution is to fake a pregnancy and make a deal with a young girl expecting an illegitimate child, who in turn does not want give the baby up to the adoption home. The deal is made, pregnancy faked and then the middle aged wife suddenly finds herself pregnant. Now the deal is off and the young expecting mother is facing a new decision. She does keep the baby in the end.

Nobody’s Fool-1986; Rosanna Arquette, Eric Roberts; A young birthmother tries to make the best of her life after relinquishment.

Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit-1991, BBC TVM; An adopted girl, raised by religious fanatics, realizes she is a lesbian.

Orphan Train-1979, TVM; Jill Eikenberry; Kevin Dobson; Glenn Close; Above average treatment of Dorothea Petrie’s novel about the trains that transported New York City street urchins into the American West.

The Other Mother-1995; Frances Fisher; Well done adaptation of Carol Schaeffer’s book about her relinquishment and subsequent search. Highly recommended.

Our Son, the Matchmaker-1996; David Andrews, Avis-Marie Barnes, Ellen Burstyn; As seen in flashback, this is the story of 43-year-old Julie a beautician who when 15 was forced by her mother to give up her baby for adoption. Her son, now 28, a minister, with his wife expecting, begins to search for his biological mother to find out his family medical history. She hears of his search and reunites.

Penny Serenade-1941; Cary Grant, Irene Dunne; Courtship, marriage, and the loss of two children, one who was adopted, is recollected by a divorcing women.

Prelude to Fame-1950; Robin Dowell, Guy Rolfe, Jeremy Spenser, While vacationing in Italy, Nick Morell, son of John Morell, a famous English philosopher and amateur musician and his wife Catherine, becomes friendly with young Guido, and Morell discovers the boy has an extraordinary instinct for orchestration and a phenomenal music memory. A neighboring couple, Signor and Signora Boudini become aware of the boy's talents, and she appeals to his parents to let her educate him musically. Torn by their love for their son and, they feel,the duty to let the world hear his talent, they consent. The boy is tutored by Dr. Lorenzo, Signora Bondini denies the boy all contact with his parents and everyone else except her. She also has neither sent his letters to his family, nor let him see the ones they've sent to him. He becomes phenomenally successful and makes the grand tour of Europe as Signora Bondini is enraptured by the acclaim given her through her "discovery" of the boy. She prepares to take him to America and also prepares adoption papers.

Problem Child & Problem Child 2-1990/91; John Ritter; Awful pair of films about troublesome adoptees. Also reported but unseen: Problem Child 3, a 1995 TVM.

Room for One More-1952; Cary Grant; Family of five adopts a little girl. AKA as The Easy Way; later a TV series.

Samantha-1993; Martha Plimpton; Hector Elizondo; Quirky comedy-drama about an adoptee’s search after she’s told she is adopted on her 21st birthday. Not for all tastes; the reunion is very strange!

The Search-1948; Montgomery Clift; American GI in post-WW2 Europe helps a boy find his mother.

Second Best-1994; William Hurt; Lonely, middle-aged man in England adopts a lonely teen. Tremendous performance by William Hurt as the adoptive single father.

Secrets and Lies-1996; Marianne Jean Baptiste; Successful black woman traces her birth mother to a lower-class white woman, who denies it; emotions run high as everyone's secrets are exposed.

Seetha & Carole-1998; Beata Van Berkom, Archana; This is the story of a tug of war between two women, one Canadian, the other East Indian, over the same child. A Canadian woman, who has suffered two miscarriages, decides to adopt a child in India. The child she selects was sold to an adoption agency by his impoverished father who hopes adopted parents will give the child a better life in America. The problem is that the child's mother knows nothing of the plan. When she does find out, she wants the child back.

The Shipping News-2001; Kevin Spacey, Julianna Moore; An inksetter in New York, Quoyle returns to his family's longtime home, a small fishing town in Newfoundland, with his young daughter, after a traumatizing experience with her mother, Petal, who sold her to an illegal adoption agency. Though Quoyle has had little success thus far in life, his shipping news column in the newspaper "The Gammy Bird" finds an audience, and his experiences in the town change his life.

Sioux City aka Ultimate Revenge-1994; Lou Diamond Phillips directs and plays the role of a doctor who gets suspended on his birthday. At his adopted parents home, he has a party at which one of the gifts is an American Indian necklace with a note from his birth mother who he has not heard from since he was given up for adoption when he was very young. In the note she wishes to see him. So he leaves to visit her only to arrive a few days after her death. He visits the local sheriff because he is curious of the circumstances of his mother's death. He then heads out to the reservation in search of any relatives he may have. He runs into his grandfather who is kind of a witch doctor. On the way back to town he is attacked by some of the sheriff's men who try to kill him. They leave him for dead, but he is rescued. He then decides to perform an Indian ritual where he hallucinates or has visions to try to identify why he was attacked. He has visions and discovers the reason he was given up for adoption was because his father was the local sheriff. He didn't love the birthmother and ordered her to give him up for adoption...

Soapdish-1991; Sally Fields, Kevin Kline; Genetic Sexual Attraction occurs on a soap opera set between a birthfather and a daughter he is unaware of.

Star Wars -Episode 4; A New Hope-1977, Episode 5; The Empire Strikes Back-1980, Episode 6; Return of the Jedi-1983; Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, Sir Alec Guiness; Trilogy of films about two adoptees searching for their birthfather. Luckily, not all birthfathers turn out to be Darth Vader.

Stolen Babies-1993 TVM; Lea Thompson, Mary Tyler Moore; Social worker exposes the Tennessee Children’s Home Scandal. MTM is almost unrecognizable as Georgette Tanner; a long way from Laura Petrie.

Stranger Who Looks Like Me-1974 TVM; Beau Bridges, Meridith Baxter Birney, Whitney Blake; The first TV movie about adoptees searching. Watch for Patrick Duffy in the support group. Blake and Birney, who play the birthmother and adoptee, are real-life mother and daughter.

Superman-1978; Christopher Reeve, Gene Hackman, Marlon Brando; The first interplanetary adoption.

Tatsulok-1998; Amanda Page, Elizabeth Oropesa; Minda, in her forties, is having a torrid affair with the younger Dave, and is trying to hide it from her husband Chito. One day Stephanie, a Philippino-American who came to the Philippines on a cultural discovery tour, turns up at Minda's house claiming she is her daughter, whom she gave away for adoption twenty years earlier. Stephanie has questions about her adoption that Minda is unwilling to answer.

The Ten Commandments-1956; Charleton Heston, Yul Brynner; Adoptee searches for his past and leads his people to freedom.

Terror in the Shadows-1995 TVM; Marcy Walker; Five years ago, Christine went after the baby she gave up for adoption, claiming he'd been stolen, and wound up killing Alex Williams' wife and the baby the Williams' had adopted. Now, Alex has remarried to a woman with a young son and when Christine escapes from a mental institution, she heads straight for Alex, looking for revenge.

Their Second Chance aka The Keller/Keller Story -1997 TVM; Lindsay Wagner, Perry King, Tracy Griffith; Twenty eight years ago, Barbara and Larry were college lovers and Laurie was conceived. They were unmarried, young and afraid and decided to put her up for adoption. She now returns to their lives and through persistence, re-unites them.

Thief-1981; James Caan, Tuesday Weld; A highly skilled jewel thief operates a restaraunt and a car dealership as covers for his illicitly-gained income. He falls for a woman he meets out on the town and gets hired by the local godfather to pull a few heists. In return, the mob arranges a steady flow of cash and a black-market adoption for Frank and his girlfriend. When Frank tries to quit the mob, various bad things happen to illustrate the point that he can't quit.

Three Secrets-1949; Eleanor Parker, Patricia Neal; A five-year-old boy is the sole survivor of a devastating plane crash in the mountains of California. When the newspapers reveal the boy was adopted and that the crash occurred on his birthday, three women begin to ponder if it's the son each gave up for adoption. As the three await news of his rescue at a mountain cabin, they recall incidents from five years earlier and why they were forced to give up their son. Remade as a TV movie with Jacyln Smith and Tyne Daly in 1999.

Thursday-1998; Thomas Jane; A former L.A. drug dealer has moved to Houston to make a new life for himself as a married architect. Everything falls apart when he is suddenly visited by one of his former cohorts who comes carrying heroin. Discovering the dope, the architect flushes it down the drain. Michael Jeter also appears as a psychologist from an adoption agency where the couple is seeking to adopt a child.

The Tie That Binds-1995; Darryl Hannah, Keith Carradine, Moira Kelly, Vincent Spano; John and his wife Leann are fugitives who are both wanted for murder. They have a young daughter named Janie. John and Leann are in the process of robbing a house when the two residents of the house show up. John kills the two residents and heads back to the car with Leann - only to discover the police waiting for them. John and Leann get away after a cop shoots John, and Janie is placed up for adoption. Janie is soon adopted by southern California carpenter Russell Clifton and his wife Dana - and what they don't know is that they're in for the fight of their lives. John and Leann are trying to locate Janie and will stop at nothing to find her, even if it means killing whoever is in their way.

To Each His Own-1946; Olivia DeHaviland, John Lund; During World War 1, small-town girl Josephine Norris has an illegitimate son by an itinerant pilot. After a scheme to adopt him ends up giving him to another family, she devotes her life to loving him from afar.

To Find My Son-1980 TVM; Richard Thomas, Steve Kanaly; Single man experiences difficulty when he tries to adopt an 8 year-old boy.

Track 29-1988; Christopher Lloyd, Gary Oldman, Theresa Russell; A doctor's wife tires of his obsession with model trains, and spends her days wondering about the son she gave up for adoption at birth. While eating at a roadside cafe, she encounters a British hitchhiker, who turns out to be her son. They spend time together trying to find a bond. The son begins to hate the husband, and the wife begins worrying about the safety of her husband.

The Tunnel of Love-1958; Doris Day, Gig Young, Richard Widmark; Comedy about a married couple trying to adopt a child. Somewhat far-fetched, it was directed by Gene Kelly.

Twins-1988; Arnold Schwartzenegger, Danny DeVito; Julius and Vincent Benedict are the results of an experiment that would allow for the perfect child. Julius was planned and grows to athletic proportions. Vincent is an accident and is somewhat smaller in stature. Vincent is placed in an orphanage while Julius is taken to a south seas island and raised by philosophers. Vincent becomes the ultimate low life and is about to be killed by loan sharks when Julius discovers that he has a brother and begins looking for him. Together, they search for their birthmother. I loved it when Arnold confronts the doctor that caused it all; “If you’re lying to me, I’ll be back.” Later, the birthmother punches out the doctor.

Two Family House-2000; Michael Rispodi, Kelly Macdonald; An unseen narrator looks back to 1956, on Staten Island, when Buddy, an Italian guy with big dreams, buys a house planning to live upstairs with his wife Estelle and run a bar downstairs. The first problem is Estelle's lack of confidence in Buddy. Then, Irish tenants upstairs refuse to move and won't pay rent; plus, the woman upstairs is about to have a baby. The next problem is the baby: once he's born, it's clear his father was Black. The Irish guy splits; Buddy evicts mother and child, then feels guilt and sets her up in a flat while she sorts out an adoption. Estelle's lack of faith, the Irish lass's spirit, Buddy's dream, racial prejudice, and the baby's fate play out.

Women in Hiding-1940; Marsha Hunt; This Crime Does Not Pay series 22 minute short focuses on unwed mothers, specifically those who believe that they cannot confide in anyone and, therefore, go to clinics run by people more interested in profit than proper medical care. In this dramatization, women pay $500 to enter a clinic and must sign papers in which they agree to give up their babies for adoption. Childless couples then pay the clinic operators $500 to adopt the children.

White Banners-1938; Claude Rains, Fay Bainter, Jackie Cooper; A homeless woman named Hannah drifts into the lives of the kindly Ward family, in a small Indiana town in 1919. Hannah makes herself useful as a cook and housekeeper and stays with the Wards... but her real interest is in meeting their neighbor, teenager Peter Trimble. It turns out that Peter is the son she bore out of wedlock and gave up for adoption, and now Hannah has returned to town to see what sort of young man her son has become.

Wong Fei-hung ji yi: Naam yi dong ji keung-1992; Martial arts expert Wong Fei-Hung faces Kung, a mercenary rival with skills to equal his own. In addition, Canton is convulsed by a struggle between the local representatives of the Chinese government and Europeans who want to control China, and Wong ends up in the middle of this fight. He is again assisted by young Chung, and again must protect Aunt Yee, his young, Westernized aunt-by-adoption with whom Wong has fallen in love.

Wong Fei-hung tsi sam: Siwong tsangba-1993; Wong Fei-Hung and sidekick Chung arrive in Peking just as the Empress announces a Lion Dance martial arts contest. Also accompanying him is Aunt Yee, his young, Westernized aunt-by-adoption, to whom Wong is secretly betrothed. Wong faces a possible romantic rival in a Russian diplomat, Tumanovsky, whom Aunt Yee knew back in school.



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Počalji od Simona taj 20/2/2014, 22:24

"A Child Lost Forever-1995 TVM; Beverly D’Angelo; Birthmother searches for her child and discovers the adoptive mother murdered him years earlier. Interesting flashback to her life at a reform school. Based on a true story." Za ovaj film mi je majka pričala da je odličan ali ne znam kada ću imati snage da ga pogledam....

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Počalji od Simona taj 1/3/2014, 00:02

Nadjoh sajt o biološkim majkama koje su dale decu na usvajanje i pokušavaju da razbiju stereotipe. Evo jednog videa a ima ih još. Na drugoj temi smo baš imale priču o biološkim majkama pa sam mislila možda će vas zanimati...

http://vimeo.com/77554854
http://adoptionsharethelove.com/redefining-the-stereotypes/

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Počalji od Simona taj 28/3/2014, 07:22

Jeste li odgledali "Gospodin Pibodi i Šerman"? Ja sam već prethodno čitala i neke pozitivne i negativne kritike pa sam se mislila da li da gledamo... No pošto mi je Vilenjak rekao da njegovi drugari gledaju to smo se odlučili da gledamo pa odgledasmo pre nekoliko dana.

Film je ceo o usvajanju. Šerman je kuca koja nije usvojena jer su svi hteli poslušne kuce ali je onda završio Harvard, dobio Nobelovu nagradu itd. Šermana je pronašao u kutiji i dobio njegovo usvajanje na sudu. Kako sudija reče kad dečak može da usvoji kucu onda može i kuca dečaka. E sad u filmu ima vrlo okrutna scena maltretiranja dečaka zato što je usvojen. Zatim jedna od stvari je kad dečak ujede devojčicu koja ga maltretira dolazi socijalna radnica koja želi da oduzme dečaka. U jednom trenutku kad kucu hoće da zatvore dečak kaže da gospodin Pibodi nije uradio ništa loše sem što je njega usvojio. Na kraju posle mnogih peripetija, devojčica koja je maltretirala dečaka postaje mu prijateljica, čak su i zaljubljeni a ostaje naravno kod Šermana, njihov odnos je prikazan vrlo toplo. Socijalna radnica završava u prošlosti gde se neki ratnik zaljubio u nju. Happy end naravno kako i treba da bude u filmovima za decu.

E sad da li bih vam ga preporučila da gledate sa decom ne znam... Ja sam na stranim sajtovima čitala i pozitivne i negativne kritike ali pošto je već dosta dece iz Vilenjakovog okruženja gledalo pa će komentarisati film i usvajanje to sam ipak odlučila da i mi pogledamo i komentarišemo. Sporno u tom filmu je ta izjava dečaka da je pas pogrešio što je usvojio dečaka, mada dečak to govori u jednom očajnom trenutku kad mu je žao što će pas da nastrada. Takodje i to da socijalna radnica može da oduzme usvojeno i voljeno dete. Na stranim sajtovima su takodje zamerali što je socijalna radnica tako prikazana, a ja tu ne vidim ništa sporno, socijalni radnici baš tako izgledaju  Laughing Takodje nisam tamo naišla na zamerku tome što usvojitelji traže dobre i poslušne pse a pametnog niko neće da usvoji, i to je tipiziranje usvojitelja, meni je odmah upalo u oči... No mm kaže da filmovi za decu i komedijice ne mogu ni da budu bez tih stereotipa... hm... Najveći adut filma je jako topao odnos kuce i dečaka, zbog koga svi posle žele da budu kuca, opis usvojenog roditelja kao sjajnog roditelja, njegova težnja da čini najbolje za dete... I mislim da će deca najviše to primetiti i zato je preporuka za gledanje ipak, no u svakom slučaju procenite zavisno od vaše dece.

Ja sam Vilenjaka unapred pripremila da ima nekih predrasuda i da ne mora biti u stvarnosti kao na filmu. Tamo gde socijalna radnica hoće da odvede dečaka reagovala sam još u bioskopu da to ne može da se dogodi u stvarnosti. Inače iz nekog razloga iako su socijalni radnici kažem asvim realno prikazani kroz lik Grunevald Vilenjak nije umeo da kaže ko je to kad sam pitala, nismo onda ni objasnili kad nije shvatio da se radi o socijalnoj radnici. Mm je samo rekao zla teta, ali eto i ona je završila srećno zaljubljena ali u prošlosti odakle ne može da ugrozi Šermana i Pibodija. Pitala sam ga još da li u stvarnosti kuca može da usvoji dečaka a on kaže ne može. Kad je trebalo da prepriča film baki ovako ga je prepričao "Bila je jedna devojčica koja nije volela dečaka a posle ga je zavolela. " I to je sve  Shocked Meni je drago da je u filmu video tu scenu maltretiranja dečaka zato što je usvojen, naravno ne mislim da mi je drago što se to dešava nego zato što znamo da se dešava a ja nemam srca da mu kažem da mu se može desiti. Ti filmovi o usvajanju a vala dolazi ih mnogo valjda zato što stižu iz Amerike gde je usvajanje rasprostranjeno i ta tema pogadja mnogu decu i jesu naš spas za sve što ne možemo da kažemo. Takodje u ovoj zemlji gde se ta tema ne obradjuje znače da koliko toliko obrazuju mladju generaciju. Ima onih koji se prikriveno bave time kao Štrumpfovi gde Štrumpfeta ima Gargamela oca koji ju je napravio i Velikog Štrumpfa oca koji ju je načinio dobrom, ali ovde se direktno i otvoreno govori o usvajanju. Inače Vilenjak na to nije reagovao, naravno to je njemu normalan način zasnivanja porodice.

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Počalji od Sara taj 29/3/2014, 11:46

Nedavno smo gledali u bioskopu film Frozen. Nije o usvajanju, vise o razlicitosti, predrasudama. Kao tema razgovora odlicno nam je posluzila.Lepa prica o porodici, ljubavi. Poruka je da se ne stidis da budes ono sto jesi, prihvati i sebe i druge takve. Imate i na netu, sa prevodom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLzfXQSPBOg
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Počalji od Simona taj 30/3/2014, 06:53

I mi smo gledali Frozen pre nekog vremena. Slažem se sa tobom, i mm i ja smo uživali, čak i više od Vilenjaka Laughing To je inače bar po kritikama koje sam čitala i prvi Diznijev film u kojima ljubav sa muškarcem ne rešava sve, kritikuje se venčanje za nekog koga je princeza tek upoznala itd. Ima neke on silne momente po čemu je drugačiji... Ja sam inače baš srećna što Vilenjak ima mogućnost da odrasta uz takve filmove poput Frozen, Meride a ne tipične bajke kakve sam ja jedino mogla da čitam i gledam kao dete. To mu i često kažem mada on baš kažem ne shvata baš to moje silno oduševljenje povodom toga. Ali mu se svidja posledica toga, tj da sam često raspoložena da idemo u bioskop  lol!

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Počalji od snedra taj 7/4/2014, 11:39

Simona, nemam već neko vreme Internet kod kuće, te nisam bila prisutna na forumu, a baš sam mislila na tebe i vas ovde.
Rekla sam mm da si spomenula film "Gospodin Pibodi i Šerman", te je on odveo Lepotana da ga gledaju. Lepotan se jako uznemirio, kaže mm da su mu se ruke oznojile kada je bila scena u kojoj socijalna radnica grubo otima Šermana. Bio je neraspoložen posle filma, ali je imao i mnogo pitanja. Njegov komentar je bio da su i njega tako "uzeli", te smo ponovo i ponovo razgovarali sa njim o njegovoj životnoj priči, objašnjavali da ga niko nije "uzeo", već da je teta koja ga je rodila dala socijalnim radnicama (koje on poznaje po imenu i sa kojima smo u kontaktu) da mu nađu najbolje nove roditelje.  Ponavljali smo mu da smo ga svi voleli i volimo ga, i negovateljice u domu i hranitelji i mi. Ponovili smo mu da su socijalne radnice brinule o njemu i našle za njega najbolje hranitelje da ga čuvaju dok  ne pronađu nas, njegove nove roditelje, mama ___ i tata ___, da ga volimo i čuvamo zauvek.
Tražio je da mu objasnimo ko je i zašto ostavio Šermana u kutiji, to ga je takođe uznemirilo, rekao je da je mogla da naiđe neka mačka, miš ili loša kuca i da ugrizu bebu. Složio se sa nama da je divno da je Šermana našao g. Pibodi i usvojio ga.
To ostavljanje bebe u kutiji se nije uklopilo u ono što smo mu do sada pričali. Naime, mi smo mu pričali da tete koje rode decu, a ne mogu da brinu o njima, tu decu u porodilištu daju socijalnim radnicima da im nađu najbolje roditelje. Deca, dok im socijalne radnice ne nađu nove roditelje, borave u velikom vrtiću za decu (kao medvedić Srećko) ili kod hranitelja. Onda smo morali da damo primere dece koja su pronađena u kutiji i koja su srećno usvojena. Zajedno sa Lepotanom smo našli dobru stranu toga da je bolje da tete predaju decu socijalnim radnicama ili negovateljicama u porodilištu.


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Počalji od Simona taj 7/4/2014, 20:05

Snedra,
baš mi je žao što se Lepotan tako potresao Sad Možda da jedno vreme ne gledate filmove koji podsećaju na usvajanje? Da li je to njegova želja da ostanete u kontaktu sa socijalnim radnicima? I naš Vilenjak je neposredno posle usvajanja želeo da ostanemo u kontaktu i sa njima a onda ih je zaboravio...

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Počalji od Simona taj 9/4/2014, 19:15

Mi smo maločas gledali Medvediće dobrog srca "Davno izgubljeni rodjaci". Slučajno smo naleteli na taj crtać pošto Vilenjak voli te medvediće. Ali preporučujem, naročito što je poenta da su se medvedići na kraju odlučili da žive sa svojom porodicom po srcu. Vilenjak opet ništa ne pita, imam utisak da i ne povezuje to nešto sa sobom/nama naročito ako je to nešto vezano za neku simboliku.

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Počalji od fmala taj 10/4/2014, 13:25

http://www.boskobuha.rs/predstave/kisa.htm#.U0Z8saIrDIU

Ja pisala, kazu da je super ispalo, nije bas o usvajanju, prica je o romskoj devojcici koju majka proda, ali je poenta da je dom tamo gde su ljudi koje volis i koji te vole.
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Počalji od Simona taj 10/4/2014, 23:16

Fmala,
nisam znala da si ti pisala a ja pre nekog vremena baš razmatrala da gledamo tu predstavu nego sam odustala jer piše da je za decu od 7-12 god. Da li ipak može i za mladje ili da sačekamo još neko vreme? (Vilenjak ima pet godina)

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Počalji od fmala taj 10/4/2014, 23:49

Mislim da moze. Ja sam Milana vodila u pozoriste od 2. godine zivota, gledali smo sve predstave za decu, bez obzira na uzrast, cak smo na medjunarodnim festivalima gledali sve predstave, na stranim jezicima, bez problema, samo sam ponekad trebala da mu srocim kratak uvod, ako sam mislila da ce mu biti tesko da prati. Nesto bi ga dotaklo, nesto ne, ali gledao je sve i, sto je najvaznije, od malena naucio da prepozna kad je predstava glupa i dosadna, a kad super Very Happy Ako odete, javite mi utiske, jer je ja jos nisam pogledala, cekam snimak tek ovih dana, posto cu u Bg tek 1. juna. E da, mjuzikl je u pitanju, zaboravih da ti kazem.
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Počalji od Simona taj 11/4/2014, 07:44

Hvala. Važi, kad pogledamo predstavu javljamo utiske.

Što se nas tiče, svaki razgovor je dopušten, tu nema cenzure, niti odgovora da mu nije vreme za neko pitanje, na sve odgovaram... Ali što se knjiga/filmova/pozorišnih predstava tiče tu prvo ja proučim/pogledam pa tek onda Vilenjak. Izbegavam one sa pesimističnim porukama, takodje sa nekim jakim emocijama koje mislim da su za njegov uzrast teško razumljive i mogu samo da ga opterete... Ili ako odgledamo neki film poput Hajdi ili Pipi duge čarape koji znam da ga je koliko toliko opteretio (odsustvo roditelja) onda neko sledeće vreme gledamo samo veselije filmove, takodje izbegavam da ponovim taj film sem ako Vilenjak to traži. Ali npr nismo gledali nikad "Olivera Tvista" iako sam ja kao mala volela taj film, ali koliko se sećam postoje grozne slike sirotišta u tom filmu i samo mi to još fali... ionako još nismo došli na temu doma (ne možemo da dodjemo kad ništa oko usvajanja i ne pričamo pa čak ne pita i ako se u filmu spominje a kamoli ovako) a kad dodjemo te mučne slike mogu samo da mi odmognu. Ponekad je dopušteno i neslaganje, npr mm i ja ne podnosimo priču "Ivica i Marica" a kad Vilenjak gleda taj crtani bojkotujem Very Happy I rekli smo mu da je to zbog toga što nam se ne svidja poenta te priče, evo deco sad će roditelji malo da vas ostave u šumi ali kad donesete pare, divno, vratite se... Vilenjak to ne komentariše ali mu se ta priča svidja zbog kućice od slatkiša, tako da kad odabere tu knjigu ja čitam ali uz negodovanje Very Happy

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Počalji od fmala taj 11/4/2014, 10:09

E pa sad, odmah da ti kazem da je ovo prepuno emocija i da i odrasli placu na nekim scenama, ali su ritam i tempo dobri, odmah se razigra i ide neka vedrija scena. A na kraju, javlja mi organizatorka deca vriste i padaju u delirijum, vicu "bravo glumcima", kao da su na sceni Bitlsi, delom i zato sto je srecan kraj. I da, u ovoj prici se ne oprasta roditelju koji proda svoje dete, kao u Ivici i Marici, jednostavno, tog roditelja vise ne pominjemo. Jbg, ja mogu da ti posaljem text, ako mislis da treba prvo da ga procitas, ali mislim da ce on vise da se zabavi nego da se potrese.
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Počalji od Struzzo taj 11/4/2014, 11:55

Fmala,
interesantno zvuči! Sigurno ću odgledati tvoju predstavu. Klinci su još mali...ali biće ona na repertoaru duuugo...:)

Simona,
sve zavisi kakvu verziju bajke imate, tačnije kako je interpretiraš... I kod nas je Struzzolino kod Ivice i Marice je bio najpre oduševljen kućicom od slatkiša (imamo puzzle Ivica i Marica gde je baš lepa slika te kućice, okoliša, njih dvoje tako da veštica nije puno strašna). Zatim se zainteresovao za vešticu. U fazi je kad je zainteresovan za sva nadrealna bića.
Mi kad čitamo tu bajku ne čitamo da su oterani u šumu već da su otišli u šumu da traže jagodice, šumsko voće (znači nešto slatko), gube se i gladni nailaze na kućicu od slatkiša. Zatim deo o veštici tumačimo naglašavajući dečiju lakomost, naivnost... podvlačimo da sutra ne treba da stupaju u kontakt sa nepoznatima koji im nude silne slatkiše... Parice na kraju dođu kao robinhudovski čin... Te pare se dele svoj siromašnoj deci kao što su oni.Wink
Tako... dok još ne znaju da čitaju, mi im određene bajke modifikujemo. Stvarno, pojedine moraš.
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Počalji od Simona taj 12/4/2014, 06:18

Hvala Fmala, nema potrebe da mi šalješ tekst. Sjajno deluje tvoja predstava. I ja mislim da će se Vilenjak zabaviti. Nije on inače dete koje se puno potresa, to ja više uzimam neku obavezu kao roditelj da se pozabavim time šta on gleda/čita bar dok je mali i nešto mogu da utičem...

Struzzo,
mi nismo menjali suštinu bajki, možda baš neki detaljčić... Ali vrlo retko čitamo te stare bajke, više smo ih pročitali kad sam shvatila da dete kreće u vrtić a da ne zna ni ko su Snežana a ni Pepeljuga. Zato smo ih i čitali onakve kakve jesu jer smatram da može da ih čuje od druge dece, vidi u obliku crtaća i da se onda pita zašto on zna drugu verziju. Ovako obično sam mu objašnjavala da su to bajke iz drugih vremena, kad su ljudi bili drugačiji, živeli u surovijim uslovima pa su i sami bili suroviji i ukažem mu na deo koji se i meni ne dopada i sl... Što se nepoznatih tiče mi imamo knjigu "Aca ne priča sa nepoznatima" i Vilenjak je vrlo brzo tu knjigu znao napamet mada sam već pisala da se moj muž smejao što ja tu knjigu smatram važnom jer dete nije progovaralo nijednu reč sa nepoznatima. No, mislim da je važna jer lepo objašnjava razloge zašto se ne priča sa nepoznatima kao i situacije koje su realna opasnost (Aci čika nije sasvim nepoznat, zna ga iz susedstva ali nije siguran ko je). I inače ja više volim te konkretne priče koje direktno kažu detetu šta sam želela da kažem ali prilagodjeno uzrastu deteta. To zato što se apstraktno mišljenje razvija kasnije i deca shvataju uglavnom bukvalno. E sad ne znam da li možda neka deca i drugačije funkcionišu ali kod Vilenjaka je uglavnom tako, ako hoćeš nešto da mu kažeš to učiniš direktno, inače ne registruje... a i meni takav način odgovara, kakva majka takav i sin Wink

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Počalji od fmala taj 12/4/2014, 09:10

Mi nismo menjali bajke, sem kad smo se zezali i imali napade kreativnosti (moje dete za majku ipak ima pisca, pa je to znalo da uzme maha), i naravno, kada je bio toliko mali da nije mogao da shvati, pa smo sazimali, a posle dodavali i te detalje. Jedina bajka koja ga je opteretila je Plavobradi (to je stvarno prilicno morbidna prica), a Devojcicu sa sibicama mu nikad nisam ni procitala, jer je na mene ostavila jak utisak i tuzno osecanje, pa nisam htela. Ostalo smo sve citali, i kako vukovi jedu jarice, prasad i Crvenkape, i kako su macehe vestice, i sve sporno. Jednostavno, bajke su price o borbi dobra i zla i u tome je poenta. Ovaj svet je danas prilicno surov, ako ne i suroviji od vremena iz kog poticu bajke, i mislim da su moji roditelji mnogo pogresili sto su mene naucili da je svet divno mesto, a ljudi divna bica, jer sam se vrlo brzo nasla medju vukovima, i nisam umela da se ponasam, naime, ja sam bila dobar drug, a svi oko mene su to samo koristili, najcesce na moju stetu. Tako da, citajte deci bajke u originalu, slobodno, deca imaju filtere za ruzne stvari, te ruzne slike ostaju samo kao upozorenja slicnim situacijama, i verujte, oni ih vrlo dobro koriste. Da vuk nije pojeo jarice koji su otvorili nepoznatom glasu, mislim da bi deca otvarala nepoznatima svaki dan. I tome slicno. Ja am detetu u uzrastu od 4-5 godina citala grcku mitologiju, pa je ostao ziv Very Happy Ako nesto i stoji kao sporno, efektnije je sa decom o tome raspravljati, objasniti mu da je pisac to tako izmislio, i reci da pisci nisu bas najtacniji Very Happy, nego kriti. Ne zaboravite, bajke su prva prava knjizevna dela koja deca citaju i osnova njihovog kulturnog obrazovanja, ma kako nama u ovim godinama izgledale. I da, toplo preporucujem ruske bajke, a od uzrasta 5+ i nase narodne price, imate ih sve u Vukovim sabranim delima, knjiga "Srpske narodne pripovjetke", uz to nek vam bude pri ruci i njegov recnik, iz istog kompleta, zbog nekih zastarelih izraza koje je lepo i danas znati, a i za koje deca stalno zapitkuju, pa se trazi po recniku, pa se uci nesto novo, pa su reci smesne.. A price su dovoljno kratke da sve to, ukupno, stvarno moze da bude lepo i edukativno druzenje.
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Počalji od Struzzo taj 12/4/2014, 09:33

Da se razumemo,
mi mnoge bajke i priče, zaista mnoge čitamo... Znam mnogu decu uzrasta 2-3 godine kojima se malo ili ništa ne čita zato što su "mali".
Ne menjamo mi sve bajke, zna Struzzolino i za vuka koji jede Crvenkapu, baku, jariće i da mu se raspori stomak, i za veštice, i da skoro svi junaci nemaju mame već maćehe i ko su maćehe i da nisu svi ljudi dobri, npr. ima i takvih kao što su dve zle i zavidne polusestre u Pepeljugi ali neke detalje ne mora baš sad da zna (što ne znači da ih neće znati za već nekoliko meseci) tipa, nemaju mamu a tata ih je oterao da umru u šumi ili kod Palčića kako on i njegova braća iskoriste gostoprimstvo žene u šumi i oni onda prevarom naprave da zli džin ubije njene ćerke i onda je opljačkaju. Saznaće i to, saznaće sve, polako. Upravo smo napunili 3 godine.
Slažem se da je veliko bogatstvo čitati klasične bajke upravo zbog pojednostavljene priče o borbi dobra i zla. I moj ih sin baš voli.
I posle njih planiram svašta još da mu čitam. Hvala vam na predlozima!
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Počalji od Struzzo taj 12/4/2014, 09:44

I da li zbog toga što je usvojen, Struzzolino se više uzbudi što mnogi glavni junaci nemaju mame (i uvek mu je pitanje "gde je mama", "zašto nema mamu") nego što je neko nekoga ubio, opljačkao, prevario...
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Počalji od fmala taj 12/4/2014, 09:47

E, pa tako smo i mi, projednostavljivali smo neke stvari, pa posle objasnjavali. Mada, priznajem, nekad smo dugacke bajke skracivali, jer je neke obozavao i trazio ih svaki dan, u nekom uzrastu 2-3 godine, pa su nam dosadile, pa se desavalo da mu zbrzim Macka u cizmama, i da on sve saslusa, i na kraju, taman pomislim da sam se resila, i da ce spavanje, a on kaze: A Markiz od Karabasa? Very Happy
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Počalji od Struzzo taj 12/4/2014, 09:57

Isto. Uvek postoje one omiljene koje bi mogao slušati po pedeset puta dnevno... I tu ne smeš da promeniš red reči u rečenici, npr. kako se kraljica u Snezani obraća svom ogledalcu, ako zbrzam i ne kažem u stihu " kaži mi, kaži, najlepša na svetu ko je", odmah me ispravi i prokomentariše: ne kaže tako. Wink

A kako ste vi objašnjavali malom detetu da je mama umrla?
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